Rev 17:1-18 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
I. The identity of Babylon lies in the Roman Empire
A. Babylon
1Pe 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
Most scholars admit that Peter is referring to Rome as Babylon. We notice that Peter refers to Mark the writer of the Gospel with the Latin accent “Marcus”.
B. Nebuchadnezzars dream
In Daniel 2 we see a clear prophecy through a vision given to Nebuchadnezer which Daniel interpretted. There is a direct connection between the four major empire’s dicussed.
Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
C. The fourth beast
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
“The final and most terrible of the Beasts is not compared to any other animal in the biological kingdom. His great iron teeth suggest an immediate correlation between this beast and the iron legs of Nebuchadnezzar’s image in Ch.2. The ten horns of the beast also correspond to the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzars image and point to the final expression of the Roman Empire which this beast prefigures. The little horn (vrs. 8) which springs up displacing three of the horns is to be understood as the “man of sin” (cf. 2 Thess. 2:3-8, note), the “king”(cf. Dan. 11:36-45), the “beast” (cf. Rev. 13:4-10), or the Antichrist. This horn, which is a symbol of strength and sovereingty, is said to have eyes , an observation intended to identify the horn as intelligent and human. Verse 25 further defines the focus of the little horns attack. The assault is waged against the Most High God even to the changing of times and laws. Further, the saints of God become the object of intense persecution and oppression so that they are “worn out”.”
W.A. Criswell Criswell Study Bible
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Hear the antichrist claims great authority, may be even the claim of infallibility.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
D. The Dragon
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Here wee see that the Dragon was worshipped and has a religious element to it. This gives us a connection to the future whore.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
This is in tune with the Fourth Beast in Daniel; the Roman Empire. The ten horns are symbolic of ten national authorities. The seven crowns are representative of seven administrations of the empire system of the dragon. These I would hypothesize are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the next Empire the Beast or the New World Order.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The woman here is Israel. Satan through the Empire system has always been opposed to Israel.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Given the context of the book, it seems obvious that this is referring to a time in the Great Tribulation. Where Israel shall flew the Persecution of the Anti-Christ.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
It is obvious here the Satan and his Empire religion has been a competitor for the saints otherwise why would Satan have any business in Heaven? Perhaps because he deceived the saints?
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The dragon though it is a political system is specifically a spiritual entity. The Spirit is specifically Satan.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Satan has been defeat by the Saints because of their testimony of the true gospel. The Atonement of Christ on the cross has defeated Satan and his empire system.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitors of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
During the Tribulation period, Satan and His Empire system will possess an earth actual form upon the Earth. While the Dragan which is a religious Roman Empire while now become a literal Empire which is the Beast.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Water being a symbol of humanity implies a persecution from all types of people. Israel will hide in the wilderness.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Restored Israel will be super-naturally protected and God will defeat the world armies as mentioned elsewhere in Revelation and Bible prophecy.
II. Anti-Christ= Pope?
The term antichrist does not simply refer being against the Christ. It also means to replace Christ
“The Greek preposition anti signifies “in place of” rather than merely “against.” The word antichrist, then speaks of one who opposes Christ by posing as Him or usurping His place….” Alan Cairns Dictionary of Theological Terms “Antichrist”A common term in reference to the Pope is “Vicar of Christ”.
“For the Roman Pontiff by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire church has full, and supreme, and universal power over the whole church a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” Catechism of the Catholic Church 882 pg.254 Imprimi Potest Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Doubleday April 1995.
“Vicar [13] A vicar is etymologically a ‘substitute’ for or ‘representative’ for someone else: thus the pope is the ‘vicar’ of God on Earth, and the vicar of a parish was originally someone who stood in for the parson or rector. The word comes via the Old French vicaire from latin vicarious ‘substitute, deputy’ This was a noun use of the adjective vicarious ‘substituting’ (source of English vicarious [17], which more closely preserves the meaning of its latin original). And vicarius in turn was derived from vicis ‘change, turn, office,’ source also of English vicissitude [16] and the prefix vice-.” John Ayto Dictionary of Word Origins
Vicar means to replace in other words, the Pope is the representative replacement of Christ upon the earth.
1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Peter views his office almost perfectly different from the RCC. The RCC envisions the office of Peter as world power, which control’s Christ Church. Peter sees himself as a simple elder and argues that we (clergy) should not rule the church because it belongs to Christ. Instead we are simply to be role models and are to be humble.
Nottice also that Peter teaches that Christ is the Pastor over the flock not peter himself. Proving the papal throne is a replacement and ultimately antichrist.
Can Peter override Christ?
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
If Satan could overcome Peter, then wouldn’t it follow that other Popes could be possessed by the Devil? Even in the classic Dante’s Inferno, Dfante envisioned one of the Popes burning forever in Hell.
The devil comes as a angelic being in light. The pope dresses in white.
2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
The antichrist conquers in Peace so does the Pope.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Hear we see the Anti-Christ receiving his crown peacefully and his bow having no arrows. By the way many times the popes have been seen with a bow with a crucifix slinking on top.
III. The mystery of iniquity/spirit of the antichrist
1. The already working nature
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The same Spirit of the antichrist in the endtimes was already at work in Bible times. This spirit must last until the end-times because the Holy Spirit is not going to move out of the way in our current age of grace.
2. 1Jo 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
We see that the activity of minor antichrist has been to imitate Christianity without being born again. It is only likely that the major antichrist would claim Christianity.
3. 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
This Spirit of the Anti-Christ denies that Christ has come in the flesh. Catholicism claims that Jesus was not born naturally but at the time of labor the physical baby passed through the womb of Mary spiritually.(Imaculate conception) They deny that Christ has brothers. They also claim that His body can be transformed by priest into Wafers and wine. They also make the claim that Jesus needs two mediators Mary and the Catholic church before he would mediate to the father. This renders the doctrine of the incarnation null and void. Because the point of the Incarnation is that Christ has come to have a personal relationship with mankind. Yet Catholicism is very careful not have their adherents draw that conclusion, leading us to this conclusion. That while the RCC claims faith in the humanity of Christ; they do not practice this doctrine. Much like the spirit of the Anti-Christ.
IV. Historic persecution
The Roman Catholic Church started it’s persecution under the title “the inquisition”. Over the period of a thousand years there were constant tortures as well as the murder of an estimated 68 million people worldwide. Starting with Jews, orthodox, heretics and then groups with parallel doctrines as the modern day protestants such as the Waldensees Albigensees, Lumbards, and Paulicans. This would include the followers of Wycliffe and Hus as well as all the Reformers. One way of proving that the ancient groups were just as orthodox as the protestants is that the protestant were given the same name as the ancient martyrs. They were all grouped into the label “Mannechean”. Even though an Ancient Waldensian confession reveals that they were monotheistic Trinitarians. Luther overcame this thanks to Guttenburgs’ printing press which gave the public his views.
In the Counter-reformation we saw through Ignatius of Loyala the establishment of secret espionage forces. Loyaola was specifically behind the organization of both the illuminati (allumbrados in Spanish) as well as the Jesuit order, who have helped start many of the modern day wars in pursuit of the restoration of the Roman Empire. The jesuit orders attack were well recorded in history but are hidden from sight in our modern day. Other gangs and forces have been established since then ( The masons, KKK, Nazis, Ustashi, Catholic Action, Knights of Columbus, fascists, Mafia, Opis Dei etc.)
Former Jesuit Bishop Alberto Rivera exposes the Jesuit order in his testimony (as recorder in the adult comic series Crusaders produced by Jack Chick). Many liberal intelligence officers have produced evidence of the Jesuits and the Vatican smuggling Nazi War criminals to hide their activity in WWII.(the Unholy Trinity by Mark Aarons and John Loftus)
We eventually see an unbroken chain attempting to reestablish the Roman Empire. The RCC attempted to re-establish it in the counter reformation and the 100years war. Then they established it on small level in South America. Then the RCC attempts to conquer Europe again in WWI. And again they gain control temporarily through the fascist and Hitler’s Nazi Regime. After being thwarted again they are finally realizing their dream of a united European empire in the European Union. Currently John Paul II’s signature Euro is the most expensive of all currency. A good source of confirmation is found in the works of Avro Manhattan.
V. The woman sits upon seven Hills
“The original site of Rome consisted of a group of low ridges, known in history as the Seven Hills, on the E.side of the Tiber. These ridges called Aventine, Palatine, Capitoline, Quirinal, Veminal, Esquioline, and Caelius, were ideally suited for settlement, both for defensive and because the high ground afforded some protection against the malaria-bearing mosquitoes infesting the nearby swamps. Two other ridges in the vicinity, namely the Pincian Hill, located North at the Quirinal, and the Janiculum Hill, situated on the west side of the Tiber river, opposite the more northerly of the two sharp bends made by the river within the city limits and s. of the present day Vatican, were occupied in the course of time by the expanding city. As a result of construction activities through the centuries, most of the seven hills are indestinguishable, in modern times from the Adjacent plain. Rome is still familiarly styled the City of the Seven Hills, however.” Funk and Wagnalls Standard reference ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL.21 pg.7636 ROME
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
VI. The Catholic Church is the Roman Empire
A. Constantine
Many dispute the authenticity of the faith of Constantine. In fact Constantine was not baptized until he was upon His deathbed. Many argued that Constantine worship his family Sun god Sol most all his life. Yet Constantine did have a huge role and influence upon Catholic and Christian history and religion anyhow.
First he ended the persecution against Christians. Then he organized the first major Christian Creed. The Nicene Creed and after he had place his stamp upon the faith, he made it the state religion.
All this had been accomplished as a pagan. Is this part of the New Testament religion?
Obviously, we may argue that it was a good think for him to stop persecuting Christians. But what of the rest?
Was it biblical for Christians to be organized by Constantine at the council of Nicene?
1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
Not at all. Christians and Churches ought to be able to handle controversies over doctrine by themselves with out the help of the Caesar. Also was it really wise of the Churches to trust the Caesar?
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Pro 23:1 When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:
Pro 23:2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.
Pro 23:3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
It is obvious that these bishops were not wise leaders. In fact it seems rather obvious that they were corrupt and were hoping to acquire power by submitted the kingdom to Constantine. Which power they indeed acquired.
Can you save souls through forced political actions? No it is only through the will that we are saved.
Mat 3:7-8 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
B. Empire Hierarchy
Many have noticed how the Papal system is similar in structure to the Roman Empire. Many times we see the Pope with the Roman Title Pontiff. The Cardinal at times are referred to as princes. Finally the Bishops are in a similar position to the Roman senators
C. Pagan Worship
To this Day one can find statues originally made as idols to goddesses like Hera in honor of Mary. One may also see an idol of Zeus with a new title “the Apostle Peter”.
One item particularly disturbing at the Vatican one may find a statue of the Roman god Neptune at the Trevi fountain in the Vatican. It not simply the fact that this Idol exist on supposed Holy Land. It is the fact the Idol was made in the 1700’s under the order of Pope Clement!
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
“Augustine’s argument against paganism was the last rebuttal in the greatest of historic debates. Paganism survived in moral sense, as a joyous indulgence of natural appetites; as a religion it remained only in the form of ancient rites and customs condoned, or accepted and transformed by an often indulgent church. An intimate and trustful worship of the saints replace the cult of pagan gods, and satisfied the congenial polytheism of simple or poetic minds. Statues of Issis and Horus were renamed Mary and Jesus; the Roman Lupercalia and the feast of the purification of Isis became the Feast of the Nativity; the Saturnalia were replaced as Christmas decorations, the Floralia by Pentecost, an Ancient festival of the dead by All souls day, the Resurrection of Attis by the resurrection of Christ. Pagan altars were rededicated to Christian heroes; incense; lights, flowers, processions, vestments, hymns which had pleased the people in older cults were domesticated and cleansed in their ritual of the church; and the harsh slaughter of the living victim was sublimated in the spiritual sacrifice of the Mass. Augustine had protested the adoration of saints, and in terms that Voltaire might have used in dedicating his chapel at Ferney; “Let us not treat the Saints as gods; we do not wish to imitate those pagans who adorn the dead. Let us not build them temples nor raise altars to them.” Will Durant, The Story of Civilization: A History of Medeival Civilization: A history of Medieval Civilization- Christian, Islamic and Judaic-from Constantine to Dante: AD325-1300, (Simon and Schuster, New York, 1950) 75.
“The very thing which is now called the Christian religion existed among the ancients also, nor was it wanting from the inception of the human race until the coming of Christ in the flesh, at which point the true religion which was already in existence began to be called Christian.” St. Augustine Retractiones
D. Holy Roman Empire
“Official Christianity had long overlaid and accustomed itself to ignore those strange teachings of Jesus of Nazereth from which it had arisen. The Roman Church, clinging tenaciously to it’s possession of the title of pontifex maximus, had long since abandoned it’s appointed task of achieving the Kingdom of Heaven. It was preoccupied with the Roman ascendancy on earth, which it conceived of as it’s inheritance. It had become a political body using the faith and needs of simple men to forward it’s schemes.” Pg.516 H.G. Wells The Outline of History
E. Inquisition
The methods used in the inquisition remind us of many of today’s dictatorial regimes. People were persecuted due to their beliefs. Information was suppressed, books were both banned and burnt. One would assume this of Nazis and Communist. But it was in Catholic Europe that these methods were first mastered.
F. Preservation of Pagan literature
The Ancient literature of the Greeks and Romans as well as other had been preserved by the Irish monasteries and Rome through the Dark ages. What is interesting is that Many priest who may not have had full access to the scriptures were well versed in pagan literature and philosophy. Why was there a higher priority with these pagan books?
G. Tricking Pepin
Pepin was a french King who was fooled into giving the Popes there 1st stake in the Roman Empire by claiming a vision and letter from Peter.
VII. The Nature of harlotry
Jerusalem was once labeled a harlot for Her political alliance with the pagan Gentile nations.
“Eze 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Eze 16:16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
Eze 16:17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,”
The RCC has commited a great deal of harlotry. One can see this in the activities of John Paul II. Who affirmed the godless view of evolution. On his ecumenical world prayer day He prayed with the Dalai Lama who doesn’t even pray to God, as well as with an African witch Doctor who had persecuted local Christians. John Paul II also kissed the Koran, the book, which denies the Resurrection and gospel of Christ while ordering their persecution. Catholic bishops and Cardinals have been calling God “Allah” which originated as a moon idol. While denouncing communism, Hugo Chavez confesses to be Catholic. Fidel Castro is a closet Catholic yet his connections are obvious if one goes to Cuba and finds the Catholic Cathedrals in the supposedly Atheist country.( I have had this confirmed by Cuban immigrants) If you go to Europe you will find many atheist who grew up in the catholic church and may have their disagreements but at the end of the day take their children to catholic schools and pay taxes to the RCC. It has been said that the election of John Paul was strategic in case the U.S.S.R. won the cold War. One can also find how well RCC has adapted to local pagan cultures.
Truthfully the RCC has no problem selling it’s fidelity to the scriptures for the right price.
Essentially I have concluded the RCC is the Great Whore of Babylon for the following reasons.
A. The Beast described in Revelation is clearly the Roman Empire.
B. The Great Whore of Babylon is a city and it is most definitely Rome.
C. The Spirit of the AntiChrist is a spirit of apostasy from the Christian Faith.
D. The Pope is at least an anti-Christ in the sense that he is a substitute for Christ. Therefore His office can easily become the seat of the AntiChrist.
E. The Whore is a present day reality and she has a historic persecution of the Churches of Christ.
F. The whore is unfaithful to the gospel it was pledged to.
When we put all these facts together we can find no other institution than the Roman Catholic Church headed in Vatican Rome.
This is not meant as an attack upon Roman Catholic people. Any Fact there are clusters of Roman Catholics who identify with Vatican I whom are starting to come to this realization. They have noticed that the current administration of Catholics (Vatican II) have committed heresy according to the RCC’s own canon law and dogma.
While it is obvious that I believe the gospel of Christ is not what is taught in the RCC. You should still heed the warnings of God.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
In these perilous times we live in, we must place our faith in Christ not in man.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
If you would like to be saved, check out my article “Are you sure?”
In Christ,
Bro. Matt Singleton
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
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Revelation 11:19- 12:17 identifies the Ark of the Covenant/ Woman Clothed with the Sun as the Virgin Mary and her children- The Catholics as the TRUE believers of God.
Revelation 14 identifies the Virgin Priests, undefiled by women, who follow the lamb wherever He goes, as the "first fruits".
If you want to be SURE to escape hell and gain eternal life, you can only do so by becomming a Roman Catholic.
Only the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. All others are counterfeits.
Your Bible is clear about this, folks. Read for yourself. Reject this imposter before he leads you to hell!
Holy Mary, whom even Martin Luther knew to rightfully call Theotokos (Mother of God), I implore your help to obtain from your divine Son, Jesus Christ, founder of your Holy Roman Church, the conversion of Matt.
Please ask your Son to open his eyes to the truth and wash away his hate.
With all the angels and saints, I commend Matt to you today that, through your intercession, the Holy Spirit may miraculously convert him to the truth of God's Catholic Church.
Confident in your intercession, and the power of our Triune God, I will cease my involvement until called by God.
Amen
I am reminded of what Jesus said of the hypocrites, thinking they should be respected for their many words.
Here are the facts-
1-Jerusalem was Biblically mocked as "Babylon" long before the Roman empire ever came into being-
Isaiah 47:1
"Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, Daughter of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate.
2- Jerusalem- as the whore in revelation- is identified ny Jesus as the city that killed the Prophets.
Luke 13:34
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
3- Jerusalem is where Jesus was and what He was decribing when, again, like the great whore in Revelation, He talked of her destruction coming in a single day.
This is where He also warns the true Roman Catholic Christians that false prophets like Matt Singleton would preach false gospels in order to deceive them from the true path.
Matthew 24
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
4- Jerusalem was EXPLICITLY known in antiquity as "the city on seven hills".
http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p000201.htm
5- Jerusalem is EXPLICITLY referred to- JUST LIKE THE WHORE- as the GREAT CITY (spiritual sodom) where the prophets and the savior died.
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
So, as you can see, Matt Singleton is CLUELESS about the Scriptures and following a frothing ding dong like him will SURELY lead to your damnation.
Consider this...
A tree is judged by it's fruit...
If "Pastor Matt" were truly a Pastor of God, wouldn't his efforts be more focused on glorifying The Almighty and praying for the souls of sinners?
No, Pastor Matt is a fraud...a hate filled hypocrite who uses religion to puff HIMSELF up.
Ironic, too, since virtually everything he preaches is demonstrably false.
I ask folks. Do you REALLY believe that God will ignore the sins of us because we- one day- claimed that we believed?
You know better than that. You know that what Pastor Matt is selling is spiritual snake oil.
Yes! You have reason to be confident if you TRULY believe and you TRULY cooperate with God's Grace.
Pastor Matt preaches the "no cause for boasting" gospel, while boasting is all that he ever does!
Oh, Lord, I beg of thee that I be made smaller so that You can be made larger in men's eyes.
Amen
Jesus formed a Church and made it holy and preserved it from error. Do not trust your salvation to charlatans like Matt preaching man-made religion. Your Bible tells you CLEARLY enough what you must do to be saved.
Luke 18
18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'[b]"
21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
Pastor Matt tells you that works have no part in salvation. Don't you believe that rubbish. The Savior says different!
Matthew 7:19
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7:18-20 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 18:8
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.
Matthew 18:7-9 (in Context) Matthew 18 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Revelation 11 and 12 tells us clearly enough that the children of Mary are the true believers. Praise God for revealing that She was the vessal that carried the Word of God (Jesus).
Hail thou, Ark of the Covenant!
Hail thou, Oh Woman clothed with the sun!
We beseech thee to obtain from your Divine Son that eyes be opened to your Holy Church, founded by your Holy Son.
Amen
When you become a Roman Catholic, you have access to the legitimate teaching authority of the Church, the legitimate help of all the Saints who have gone before and you receive the REAL Christ- body blood soul and divinity- in the Eucharist.
John 6
48I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jesus is making it real simple here. If you deny the TRUE prescence, you are an apostate-like Judas. It's really that simple.
The Sacraments, the infallible truth, the True Gospel, Intercessory prayers of the saints...
Why would ANYONE trade a false- get in to heaven the easy way- gospel for the wonderful, absolute truth of Catholicism???
Always remember folks, Jesus formed a CHURCH. The word CHURCH appears 109 times in the NT. The words Matt Singleton, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Smyth appear ZERO.
Try as you might, you cannot imagine the horror that is hell. You must be SURE to escape that horrible place.
Jesus gave His Church the power to bind and loose, and gave it the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 16:18
Do not let self created prophet imposters like Matt dissuade you from the truth. There is only ONE church and outside her there is no salvation.
These are not my words.
Jesus told you to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. You will not be able to claim you didn't know.
Jesus' authority can only be found where it was placed- in the only Church that can trace it foundation all the way back to Him.
Do you want to trust your salvation to a hand full of miscreants who arose hundreds of years after Christ and who deliberatly ignore most of the New Testament to justify their twisting of a few verses.
Matt Singleton can only lead you to destruction. Follow God's infallible Roman Catholic Church instead. You cannot claim to follow Christ while brawling against the very church created by His own hands.
Matt will ban me soon because he doesn't want you to know the truth.
So, let's review.
Pastor Matt has no credentials, no historical proofs, and only the things that he FALSELY claims the Bible teaches.
Catholics, on the other hand, have
1) Jesus promised authority.
2) Historically proven Apostolic succesion.
3) 2,000 + years of un-broken fidelity to the truth.
4) The TRUE theology taught in the scriptures.
As you can see, there is no contest between 2000+ yeats of orthodox Catholic Christianity and Matt's "johnny come lately" fraud.
The Catholic Church STANDS, your protestant imitation FALLS.
The end
Pastor Matt's parade of horribles- a hodgepodge of disjointed half-truths, distortions and outright, unsubstantiated fabrications- only serves to demonstrate that he KNOWS the truth.
Men will be judged by their actions.
This is why Matt backs up and dumps a truck load of accusations and assertions here (most of which he makes no attempt to substantiate), in the hopes that there sheer weight of charges will win him debating points.
Of course, we know that there were no shortage of accusations made against Jesus too.
Making accusations would be easy for me too....except that mine are all true.
1) a child is ten times as likely to be molested by a fundieprod minister like Matt than a Catholic Priest according to empirical data gathered by Dr. Phillip Jenkins of Penn State University.
2) More Catholics have been killed by Protestants than Protestants killed by Catholics according to numerous historical studies.
3) Anti-Catholics meatheads like Jack Chick and Lorraine Boettner have so grossly overinflated deaths from the crusades as to erase any credibility they may have otherwise had.
The fact is, according to data compiled at religionofpeace.com, muslim terrorists kill more people in a calendar year than the TOTAL of all 350 years of the Inquisitions.
4) In the roughly 2000 year history of the Catholic Church, MAYBE 5 or 6 Popes were corrupt...out of 237.
On the other hand, it is rare indeed to find a prominenant Protestant minister who isn't.
I could go on and on....
There is no point in doing so because Pastor Matt has made my point. The Just shall reveive eternal life and the evil will receive damnation.
Pastor Matt wants you to believe that he is better positioned, as a loud mouthed, lying, slandering hypocrite, than Mother Theresa, to receive Heaven.
Afterall, Pastor Matt is SAVED! Whoa! Halleluia!!!!!
Pastor Matt is in for a RUDE awakening lest he mend his evil ways.
Matthew 25
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Pastor Matt wants to be a selfish little fundieprod who can have his sin and salvation too.
Sorry Matt, doesn't work that way.
The good Pastor has gotten quiet again. I guess he realizes that he just can't demonstrate that any of his ramblings hold water.
In the end, the BEST he can do is demonstrate that a FEW Catholics did a FEW bad things in a FEW places.
What he cannot demonstrate (and won't try) is that ANY evil act has ever had the SANCTION of Catholic law or that ANYTHING detracts from her rightful claim to be the heirs to the Apostles.
All he has is a couple of dozen scriptures warped to his idealogy and a room full of tracts and polemics.
I, on the other hand, have the very teaching authority of Christ passed on through the ages in His infallible church.
Whereas Matt says "I believe", "I think" and "I interpret", I can say "I know".
What I expound is FACT because it is backed by the very authority of Jesus Christ HIMSELF.
So long as I never stray one inch from the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, I will never have any reason to have even a microscopic doubt in the certainty of all I believe about God.
What a comfort that is. How lonely it must be to live in perpetual doubt, like Matt.
Thank you, Jesus for your wonderful Catholic Church, the pillar and foundation of all truth. 1 Timothy 3:15
The bad news is that lying false prophets like Matt lead the march of countless souls into hell.
The good news is that with very little effort, you can become informed enough to expose their wicked schemes.
In another tract, Hunting the Whore of Babylon, we looked at nine arguments given by fundamentalist Dave Hunt for his claim that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon from Revelation 17–18. His arguments are typical of those used by fundamentalist anti-Catholics and are easily proven wrong. (See that tract for details).
But we can go beyond a mere critique of the shallow anti-Catholic arguments like Hunt’s. There is irrefutable evidence in Revelation 17–18 (the chapters Fundamentalists love to quote against the Catholic Church) that proves that it is impossible for the Catholic Church to be the Whore.
A Vision in the Wilderness
When John introduces the Whore in Revelation 17, he tells us: "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk.’ And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of b.asphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: ‘Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth’s abominations.’ And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly" (Rev. 17:1–6).
This passage tells us several things about the Whore: (1) She is an international power, since she "sits on many waters," representing different peoples (17:15), and she has committed fornication with "the kings of the earth," and she has inflamed "the dwellers on earth" with her fornication. (2) She is connected with the seven-headed Beast from Revelation 13:1–10. That Beast was a major pagan empire, since its symbolism combined animal elements from four other major pagan empires (compare Rev. 13:1–2 with Dan. 7:1–8). (3) The Woman is connected with royalty, since she is dressed in the royal color purple. (4) The Woman is rich, for she is "bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup." (5) She has committed some kind of fornication, which in Scripture is often a symbol of false religion—lack of fidelity to the God who created heaven and earth. (6) She is symbolically known as Babylon. (7) She is a central cause of "abominations" in the land, abominations being a reference to practices, especially religious practices, that are offensive to God. And (8) she persecutes Christians "the saints and . . . martyrs of Jesus."
While the rest of her description could refer to a number of things, the symbolic designation "Babylon" narrows it down to two: pagan Rome and apostate Jerusalem. It is well known that the early Church Fathers referred to pagan Rome as "Babylon"; however, there are also indications in Revelation that the Whore might be apostate Jerusalem. Historically, a number of commentators, both Protestant and Catholic, have adopted this interpretation.
The Seven Heads
Continuing in Revelation, the angel begins to explain to John the woman’s symbolism: "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while" (Rev. 17:9–10).
Fundamentalists argue that these seven mountains must be the seven hills of ancient Rome. However the Greek word here, horos, is almost always translated "mountain" in Scripture. Mountains are often symbols of kingdoms in Scripture (cf. Ps. 68:15; Dan. 2:35; Obad. 8–21; Amos 4:1, 6:1), which might be why the seven heads also symbolize seven kings. The mountains could stand for a series of seven kings, five of whom have already fallen.
This passage gives us a key rule of Bible interpretation which is often denied by Fundamentalists: A symbol does not have to refer to one and only one thing. Here Scripture itself tells us that the heads refer both to seven mountains and seven kings, meaning the symbol has multiple fulfillments. Thus there is not a one-to-one correspondence in the Bible between symbols and their referents.
Also, the mountains could be a reference to pagan Rome, yet the Whore could still be a reference to apostate Jerusalem. In this case, her sitting on the Beast would not indicate a geographical location but an alliance between the two powers. The Whore (Jerusalem) would be allied with the Beast (Rome) in persecuting "the saints and . . . martyrs of Jesus." (Note that the Whore also sits on many waters, which we are told are many peoples, [cf. 17:15]. The context makes it clear that here her "sitting" on something does not refer to a geographical location.)
This passage gives us one reason why the Catholic Church cannot be the Whore. We are told that the heads "are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come." If five of these kings had fallen in John’s day and one of them was still in existence, then the Whore must have existed in John’s day. Yet Christian Rome and Vatican City did not. However, pagan Rome did have a line of emperors, and the majority of commentators see this as the line of kings to which 17:10 refers. Five of these emperors are referred to as having already fallen, one as still reigning in John’s time, and another yet to come. Since Jerusalem had no such line of kings in the first century, this gives us evidence that the Beast (though not the Whore) is Rome.
The Ten Horns
The angel also interprets for John the meaning of the Beast’s ten horns: "And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful" (17:12–14).
This shows us that the Beast is allied with ten lower rulers and with their own territories. Some Fundamentalists bent on making this apply to modern times and the Catholic Church have argued that the horns refer to the European Community (EC) and a revived Roman empire with the Catholic Church at its head. The problem is that there are ten kings, but there are now many more than ten nations in the EC.
However, what we are told about the horns does fit one of the other candidates we have for the Whore—apostate Jerusalem. The angel tells John: "And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled" (17:16–17).
If the Whore is Jerusalem and the Beast is Rome (with the ten horns as vassal states), then the prophecy makes perfect sense. The alliance between the two in persecuting Christians broke down in A.D. 66–70, when Rome and its allied forces conquered Israel and then destroyed, sacked, and burned Jerusalem, just as Jesus prophesied (Luke 21:5–24).
The Whore’s Authority
Finally the angel tells John: "And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth" (17:18). This again points to pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem. In the case of the former, the dominion would be political; in the case of the latter, it could be a number of things. It could be spiritual dominion in that Jerusalem held the religion of the true God. It could be a reference to the manipulation by certain Jews and Jewish leaders of gentiles into persecuting Christians.
It could even be political, since Jerusalem was the center of political power in Canaan and, under the authority of the Romans, it ruled a considerable amount of territory and less powerful peoples. On this thesis "the kings of the earth" would be "the kings of the land" (the Greek phrase can be translated either way). Such local rulers of the land of Canaan would naturally resent Jerusalem and wish to cooperate with the Romans in its destruction—just as history records they did. Local non-Jewish peoples were used by the Romans in the capture of Jerusalem.
The hub of world commerce
Continuing in chapter 18, John sees the destruction of the Whore, and a number of facts are revealed which also show that she cannot be the Catholic Church. For one, she is depicted as a major center of international trade and commerce. When it is destroyed in chapter 18, we read that "the merchants of the earth [or land] weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo any more" (18:11) and "all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea . . . wept and mourned, crying out, ‘Alas, alas, for the great city, where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth!’" (18:17–19).
Pagan Rome was indeed the hub of world commerce in its day, supported by its maritime trading empire around the Mediterranean, but Christian Rome is not the hub of world commerce. After the Reformation, the economic center of power was located in Germany, Holland, England, and more recently, in the United States and Japan.
Persecuting apostles and prophets
When the Whore falls we read, "‘Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you’. . . . In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth" (18:20, 24). This shows that the Whore persecuted not just Christians, but apostles and prophets. Apostles existed only in the first century, since one of the requirements for being an apostle was seeing the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1). Prophets existed as a group only in the Old Testament and in the first century (Acts 11:27–28, 13:1, 15:32, 21:10).
Since the Whore persecuted apostles and prophets, the Whore must have existed in the first century. This totally demolishes the claim that Christian Rome or Vatican City is the Whore. Rome was not a Christian city at that time, and Vatican City did not even exist, so neither of them could be the Whore. Furthermore, Fundamentalists continually (though wrongly) claim that Catholicism itself did not exist in the first century, meaning that based on their very own argument Catholicism could not be the Whore!
Fundamentalists are fond of conjecturing that in the last days there will be a "revived Roman empire," such as the one that persecuted Christians in the first century. Yet they never draw the inference that this empire would be headed by a revived pagan Rome, with the bishop of Rome leading the Christian underground, just as he did in the first century.
Still, Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 prove that the Whore had to be a creature of the first century, which, in the Fundamentalist view, the Catholic Church was not. Thus, on their own view, their identification of the Catholic Church with the Whore is completely impossible! Only ancient, pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem could possibly be the Whore.
If Not the Whore, the Bride
The fact that the Catholic Church is singled out by Fundamentalists as the Whore reveals that they intuit the fact it has an important role in God’s plan. No other church gets accused of being the Whore—only the Catholic Church. And it is understandable why: The Catholic Church is the largest Christian body, larger than all other Christian bodies put together, suggesting a prominent place in God’s plan. Fundamentalists assume, without objectively looking at the evidence, that the Catholic Church cannot be the Bride of Christ, so it must be the Whore of Babylon.
Yet the evidence for its true role is plain. The First Vatican Council taught that "the Church itself . . . because of its marvelous propagation, its exceptional holiness, and inexhaustible fruitfulness in all good works; because of its Catholic unity and invincible stability, is a very great and perpetual motive of credibility and an incontestable witness of its own divine mission" (On the Catholic Faith 3).
So why is the Bride maligned as the Whore? Jesus himself answered the question: "If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household" (Matt. 10:25). "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world . . . the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you" (John 15:18–20).
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"If you would like to be saved, check out my article “Are you sure?”
In Christ,
Bro. Matt Singleton"
Now, Matt is claiming he can save you. By putting the same the liberal construction that protestants put to "If you believe, you shall be saved", one would have to conclude that Matt is saying that all one must do to be saved is read his article!
BLASHPHEMY!!!
Of course, I will be charitable and admit that such a simplistic interpretation is not what Matt actually meant....it is not what Jesus meant either.
Jesus taught VERY VERY VERY clearly that each of us will be judged by our works.
Matt gets confused when Paul says Salvation is not of the "works of the law" yet Jesus said "not one jot or tittle shall be removed from the law until all is fulfilled. Heaven and Earth may pass away but the law will never pass away".
What Matt doesn't get is that Paul is talking about the MOSAIC law (John 1:17) while Jesus is talking about the MORAL (DIVINE) law.
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
As you can see, trangressors of THAT law will not enter heaven regardless of how much they claim to be saved.
Examine the wording... Unless YOUR righteousness SURPASSES that of the Pharisees, you WILL NOT enter heaven.
Matt is trying to tell you that you are going to get to heaven by CHRIST'S Righteousness imputed to you....Salvation by proxy. As if God can't see your sin.
The truth is that Jesus Blood and Grace are not simply like paint, so that your sin remains unseen, they are active Sanctifying agents that actually REMOVE your sin and Sanctify your soul.
Further, along with the action of the Holy Spirit, they make you stronger and more resistant in sin and able to advance in holiness.
The gifts of His blood and grace are, of course, unearned. That doesn't mean that they lack responsibilty. You will be jusged by what you do, make no mistake because, through Christ's death, the impossible has been made possible.
Luke 18
26Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
and...having given you that grace, He will judge you by YOUR WORKS.
THAT is what Paul taught...clear as day...
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
So, folks. You have a choice. You can take your chance with some un-Biblical protestant nonsense that will never get even ONE soul to heaven or you can rely on the path JESUS CHRIST provided for you...a teaching Roman Catholic Church, the Sacraments, Grace, the Saints and His own Body and Blood.
Don't lose your soul in hell by trying to take the easy way out like the protestants. Join the REAL Christian faith. Contact your local Roman Catholic Church TODAY!
You'll be glad you did!!!
One of the reasons why debate is impossible with Matt is that he hides- like he is doing now- rather than tackle the tough scriptures that refute his creeds.
Most of them he will NEVER respond to because he is simply unable.
He will respond with yet more ad hom smears and attacks like these unsubstantiated beauties...
1) All Priests are drunks, murderers and Child molesters. How nice. I guess it is lost on him that alcoholism, pedophilia and murder are all higher among protestants but that is irrelevant anyway.
2) Catholics worship Mary. This one is really funny because worship requires CONSENT. No Catholic would ever worship Mary because she is not divine.
3)Hugo Chavez is Catholic. lol. Wonder what this smear was supposed to imply. I once knew a "baptist" who denied the divinity of Christ. So, all you baptists deny Christ is God!? Whodda thunk it!?
4) Catholics believe Christ is re-sacrificed at every mass. LOL No Catholic believes this.
5) Babies are satanic. Yes, he really did say that!
I could go on and on but there is a very important point. Matt believes that Christ intended that each individual have their own Bible for personal study.
I don't believe Christ ever intended any such thing. The Bible must be entrusted to the Church and kept out of the hands of the unstable, lest they hurt themselves.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter
17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
What's this? How can one fall from their secure position? I thought it was 'once saved, always saved'?
Don't listen to the unstable.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Phillipians 2:12
As you can clearly see, all of Matt's theology has been laid waste. My work is done here.
Yours truly,
a humble servant of Christ
The Woman in the Rev. 12 is clearly Israel the sun and the moon were symbolic of Jacob and Rachel as seen in the dream of Joseph.
The virgins 144,000 are of Specific tribes of Israel. (The twelve with 2 replacements)
Most Catholic priest are gentile and there are millions of them.
Roman catholicism can not promise heaven, only hell and temporary hell(pugatory).
By the way Mary is a type of Israel not the other way around. She was virgin Israel and after Christ was born they went to egypt and left in fulfillment of the type "out of Israel I called my Son".
You can't call martin Luther "martin Lucifer" demand that he not be used as a witness of church history. Then turn around and use him as proof of anything.
Where does the Bible use the term "mother of God"?
Here we see AN EXAMPLE OF apostasy.
The word of God clearly states that there is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved but the name of Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:12
I pray to the Living God that you will be convicted of your idolatry.
Deeper truth has been abusing the fact That I am only able to check the internet occaisionally. However these arguements are consistently false and I will answer them as usual. However One only needs to look at the facts respect the word of God and seek His will in accordance to the scriptures. I will answer more of Deeper truth's blasphemy later,
In Christ,
Matt
2 things you must always be mindful of.
1) Matt has never been able- and will never be able- to demonstrate an authority to interpret Scripture. That authority was entrusted to the Church and he has never demonstrated otherwise.
2) One who lies in small things lies in big things. The demonstrable lies made by matt are almost too numerous to count.
Pastor Matt Singleton said...
By the way Mary is a type of Israel not the other way around. She was virgin Israel and after Christ was born they went to egypt and left in fulfillment of the type "out of Israel I called my Son".
[[[[That was about as incoherent argument as I have ever heard. The fact is that Mary gave birth to the "child who is destined to rule all nations with a rod of iron". and "the word" which became flesh.
This is why she is CLEARLY identified as The Ark of the Covenant Rev 11:19 and the Woman Clothed with the Sun Rev 12:1 ]]]]]
You can't call martin Luther "martin Lucifer" demand that he not be used as a witness of church history. Then turn around and use him as proof of anything.
[[[[[ Of course he cannot be used as a witness of Church history because he taught heresey. I call him Martin Lucifer because he was a tool of feel good, easy way religion- a satanic deception.
Nevertheless, even one as foolish as Luther recognized that Mary is the Mother of God just as Elizabeth and the child in her womb (John the Baptist). ]]]]]
Where does the Bible use the term "mother of God"?
[[[[[[Luke 1
41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"
Luke 1:35
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
It's real simple. To deny that Mary is the Mother of God is to do nothing short of Denying the very Divinity of Christ!!!!
Why don't you just become a muslim?]]]]]
Galatians 4:4
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,
Isaiah 7
13 Then Isaiah said, "Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you [c] a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and [d] will call him Immanuel [God with us].
Matt doesn't know WHAT he believes.
Let's see. A virgin (Mary) gives birth to a Son (Jesus) who is nothing less than the living God.
So, Mary is the Mother of God, yes?
Matt says no, thus denying the incarnation and calling God a liar.
You folks should scold Matt for this blasphemy!
Deny Mary is the Mother of God and you deny the Incarnation. Deny the Incarnation and you deny Christ's divinity. Deny Christ's divinity and you perish in your sins and go to hell.
John 8
24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,[a] you will indeed die in your sins."
Notice that the title "Mother of God" (Elizabeth said "Mother of My Lord" which is the same) does not imply that Mary is God or that She is equal to God...only that she gave birth to God.
You would think anyone claiming to be a Christian would concede the point without a moment's hesitation.
I asked you earlier if someone denying the Divinity of Christ could call themself a Baptist.
I guess your answer is YES!
Make no mistake, you are, in no uncertain terms, denying the Divinity of Jesus Christ and nullifying your right to call yourself a Christian.
In esscence, your is the position of Jews, Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses...."The Son of Mary is not God".
TRY to deny it. I DARE you.
Poor Matt...
he is trying sooooo hard to bend his bible to contort to his irrational, satanic hate.
It just won't fit though.
Consider this....
Jesus was and is God. Raied from the dead, He was and is the PERFECT man. As the perfect man, he followed/follows the moral law perfectly.
The moral law says "Honor thy Father and Mother". As such, Jesus would not merely honor His mother Mary but would do so PERFECTLY.
As Christians, we are called to emulate Jesus. Thus, we are, also, to strive to honor her perfectly.
They deny that Christ has brothers.
The Bible itself- which you don't understand- claims that He didn't.
The Bible itself tells us that Mary was perplexed at how she would conceive a child even though she was betrothed to Joseph.
The word "until", in the reference that Mary and Joseph had no relations until she brought forth a son, is translated from a term meaning "up to that pount and thereafter".
2 Samuel 6:23
"Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death."
Are we to believe she had children AFTER her death?
Mary's virginity was perpetual.
Why else would Jesus leave His Mother in the Apostle John's care?
There was not a specific Aramaic word for "cousin" or "step-brother". The brothers in Scripture were most likely sons of Joseph from a previous marriage but CERTAINLY not full brothers.
They also claim that His body can be transformed by priest into Wafers and wine.
Jesus HIMSELF claimed that, at the last supper and in John 6. It doesn't surprise me that an apostate like you would reject it.
More...
1 Corinthians 1:10
16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 11:23
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
You can't get much clearer than that!
They also make the claim that Jesus needs two mediators Mary and the Catholic church before he would mediate to the father.
Nonsense. We claim no such thing.
This renders the doctrine of the incarnation null and void.
No, denying that Mary is Mother of God does that.
Because the point of the Incarnation is that Christ has come to have a personal relationship with mankind.
another protestant invention wholly unsupported by scripture. Christ came to save His people from their sins and lead them to eternal life. He established a Church so that Worship of Him would be a shared, communal experience, not merely an individual one.
Yet Catholicism is very careful not have their adherents draw that conclusion, leading us to this conclusion. That while the RCC claims faith in the humanity of Christ; they do not practice this doctrine. Much like the spirit of the Anti-Christ.
you wont even TRY to substantiate THAT hokum
Do you yet see how blind and uncharitable you have been towards Catholics?
Every accusation you have made has been slapped back down at you and you have been shown very clearly that-unlike the easy way out, fast food religion that you espouse- Catholicism is well grounded in the Scriptures.
Of course, your wounded pride won't let you admit this openly but I know and you know and I know that you know that I know that the seed of your conversion has been planted.
The Holy Spirit will hound you unmercifully until, at last, you found yourself pounding on the door of a Catholic Church, pleading to come in and join the warmth and light.
Behold, you have been warned. I have naught but to sit back and watch God's marvelous conversion take place within you.
You do not need to respond any more if you don't wish to. It is not necessary. God will do the rest.
Israel in your text is shown to be a daughter of Babylon, not babylon herself. Rome is very clearly shown to be The Babylonian empire with a makeover.
Israel in your text is shown to be a daughter of Babylon, not babylon herself. Rome is very clearly shown to be The Babylonian empire with a makeover.
[[[[ Very well, let's look at more..
Jeremiah 7: 28 - 34
28 "You shall say to them, 'This is the nation that did not obey the voice of the LORD their God or accept correction; truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth.
29'Cut off your hair and cast it away,
And take up a lamentation on the bare heights;
For the LORD has rejected and forsaken
The generation of His wrath.'
30 "For the sons of Judah have done that which is evil in My sight," declares the LORD, "they have set their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, to defile it.
31 "They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind.
32 "Therefore, behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when it will no longer be called Topheth, or the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of the Slaughter; for they will bury in Topheth because there is no other place.
33 "The dead bodies of this people will be food for the birds of the sky and for the beasts of the earth; and no one will frighten them away.
34 "Then I will make to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride; for the land will become a ruin.
There are two other insurmountable problem for you. Revelation 18:24 puts the guilt of the blood of the Prophets on the harlot...and Jesus, Himself, said that a prophet could on die where?
You guessed it...Jerusalem.
Luke 13:33
Second, Rome cannot be guilty of harlotry with the beast because Rome IS the beast!
You claim that the Catholic Church is nothing less than the reincarnation of the Roman empire.
How can Rome commit spiritual fornication with itself???
Clearly, the harlot is a RELIGIOUS entity that committs spiritual fornication with a PAGAN entity.
In other words, JERUSALAM with ROME. The herods were nothing more than puppets of Rome and Jerusalem participated in the roman evil.
Yet, just as Rev 17-18 prescribes, the BEAST (Rome) turned on the HARLOT (Jerusalem), sacking it in 70 AD, never to rise again.
You, my friend, have foolishly trapped yourself in your own web of lies. For you claim-ludicrously- that the Roman Catholic church NEVER WAS the true Church.
If that were so, it never could have- in the phraseology of scripture- whored out it's inheritance because it never had it.
John is very clear that BOTH the whore and the Beast existed in his time.
Apostate Jerusalem and Pagan Rome.
Checkmate
2. Jerusalem is not here identified by Jesus as Babylon
3. Still no link to "the Whore". Jesus is not even remotely calling Jerusalem any figure in Revelation. Why not say jerusalem is the false prophet or the Beast?
I am not claiming that RCC is the false prophet or the BEast; simply the whore.
The tribulation seems to be taking place in Jerusalem. Why would the whore attack herself?
4. I already showed the famous funk and Wagnalls encyclopedia identify rome as the city on seven Hills. They even identify the specific hills. You want find obscure references.
5. Jesus said that his mothers and brothers are those who follow his commandments; not those who insulted mary by worshipping a demon through her. Matt12:49
The Bible clearly teaches us not to worship the "Queen of Heaven"
Jerimiah 44:18-22
6. Good works are marks that one has been born-again. I have been praying for the lost sinners for salvation of their souls for almost 20 years. But since "Deeper Truth doesn't know me they can judge me and bring railing accusations and revile me which causes them to break kingdom law. and by these works they can not inherit the kingdom of God.
I have taught( and you can find it repeatedly throughout these blogs )that belief doesn't earn salvation. Christ earns salvation and we recieve it from him by grace through faith.
"50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die."
Jesus wants us to eat the bread which came down from heaven, not the wafer which came over from Rome.
Luke 18:26"And those that heard it said, "who then can be saved?"27 And he said The things which are impossible with men are possible with God"
Not even the rich are rich enough to earn there way to heaven. We are all evil. Our good works are in fact defiled and evil.
3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Jesus promise salvation through faith.
john 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The first 3 gospels were simply recording Jesus as was fulfilling the Old Covenant
However Paul brought the New Revelation for the Gentiles of Salvation based on grace.
As a result John was to informin people of Jesus other teachings concerning grace which supported Paul.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Speaking of legitamite spiritual authority. "Deeper truth" is hiding behind a goofy phrase that sounds like gnosticism. What spiritual authority do you have. What qualifications do you have to teach anybody?
You know I really do not want to give myself any glory for this. it was God working through me but every thing Jesus mentioned in His separation of sheep and Goats are things that have happened. Just because born-again Christians preach Christ grace does not mean that we are not doing the good works anyway to glorify God.
"Catholics, on the other hand, have
1) Jesus promised authority.
2) Historically proven Apostolic succesion.
3) 2,000 + years of un-broken fidelity to the truth.
4) The TRUE theology taught in the scriptures."
1) You have yet to prove that Jesus would want anything to with the institution whic murdered him.
2) The only History you have is historical revision which you have enforced by murdering millions of people and saints.
3) to be accurate 1700 years; and very little if any fidelity to truth on any level. Just ask Galileo! Or how about the medieval excuse for illegitamite children the "succubus"
4)You must be talking about scriptures other than the Bible.
"Fundamentalists argue that these seven mountains must be the seven hills of ancient Rome. However the Greek word here, horos, is almost always translated "mountain" in Scripture. Mountains are often symbols of kingdoms in Scripture (cf. Ps. 68:15; Dan. 2:35; Obad. 8–21; Amos 4:1, 6:1), which might be why the seven heads also symbolize seven kings. The mountains could stand for a series of seven kings, five of whom have already fallen."
I am glad after all the festering crap "hidden truth" would actually like to read and deal with the scripture.
There is a simple flaw which stops this reinterpretation
17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
This is a literal city which is not "taken over", but "reigneth over" It was obvious to the people of Asia which city was reigning over all the peoples and that was Rome. Jerusalem had already been sacked it was reigning at all.
"This is why Matt backs up and dumps a truck load of accusations and assertions here (most of which he makes no attempt to substantiate), in the hopes that there sheer weight of charges will win him debating points."
"More Catholics have been killed by Protestants than Protestants killed by Catholics according to numerous historical studies."
Here is a clear example of hypocrisy. making claims about myself which are unjustified and claiming this to me. Then going and doing the same thing himself. His branch of catholicism can not win with truthTherefore he must make up propaganda.
"After the Reformation, the economic center of power was located in Germany, Holland, England, and more recently, in the United States and Japan."
The Vaitcan citizen per citizen is "THE" richest country in the world.
To argue otherwise is extremely ludicrous. When you have nearly a billion tithing weekly where does the money go. not too mention the amount of catholics in higher places? Come on!!!!!
"The moral law says "Honor thy Father and Mother". As such, Jesus would not merely honor His mother Mary but would do so PERFECTLY."
What a Joke there is no phrase moral law in the scriptures! It is a GReek pagan concept!This was the ten Commandments given to Israel. We even see it in the commandment clause "that you may live long in the land" which land? the land of Israel!
Plus, Jehovah says He is the God that took them out of the land of Egypt. Was hidden truth in Egypt. Does hidden truth have temptation of coveting a donkey? get real.
Catholic theology encourages Law Breaking with their worldly philosophy of moral law.
3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them
The Bible itself tells us that Mary was perplexed at how she would conceive a child even though she was betrothed to Joseph.
The word "until", in the reference that Mary and Joseph had no relations until she brought forth a son, is translated from a term meaning "up to that pount and thereafter".
"until" she had Jesus.
it doesn't take a PHD to figure how stupid this argument is. This is so cowardly we are not even given a scripture ref.
"There are two other insurmountable problem for you. Revelation 18:24 puts the guilt of the blood of the Prophets on the harlot...and Jesus, Himself, said that a prophet could on die where?
You guessed it...Jerusalem."
Do you wonder if these arguments can lead catholics to ati-semitism? too late they already have. Just ask the German Nazi PArty. Just ask the Nicaraguan Catholic priest who heads the UN and Bashes Israel.
2. Jerusalem is not here identified by Jesus as Babylon
YOU MUST BE DRUNK TO CLAIM THAT!
Every identifying trait of the whore- killed the prophets, killed the apostles, committed fornication- is SPECIFICALLY applied by Jesus to Rome.
3. Still no link to "the Whore". Jesus is not even remotely calling Jerusalem any figure in Revelation. Why not say jerusalem is the false prophet or the Beast?
You are BLIND Matt. Jesus is clearly talking about Jerusalem.
Isaiah 1:21
See how the faithful city has become a harlot! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her— but now murderers!
I am not claiming that RCC is the false prophet or the BEast; simply the whore.
and I have PROVEN that the RCC couldn't POSSIBLY be any of the 3
The tribulation seems to be taking place in Jerusalem. Why would the whore attack herself?
The whore didnt attack herself, the BEAST attacked the WHORE.
Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
A CLEAR allusion to the sacking of the Temple by the Romans in 70 AD
4. I already showed the famous funk and Wagnalls encyclopedia identify rome as the city on seven Hills. They even identify the specific hills. You want find obscure references.
Funk and Wagnall's? Are you SERIOUS???? Your Biblical scholarship is FUNK AND WAGNALLS!!!
Jerusalem was a large city spreading beyond the walls of the fort and onto the seven hills there during the time of Jesus and the Apostles. It’s seven hills are; 1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion.
you lose.
5. Jesus said that his mothers and brothers are those who follow his commandments; not those who insulted mary by worshipping a demon through her.
Jesus was merely eching the words of Elizabeth
41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!" Matt12:49
and you had better be very careful. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. The only person's Catholic's worship are the 3 person's of the Holy Trinity.
All prayers through Mary are SPECIFICALLY prayers to Jesus.
The prayers are straight from the Bible and I know Our Lord Jesus would be very much displeased to hear you refer to His mother as an intercessor to demons.
Matthew 25
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Bible clearly teaches us not to worship the "Queen of Heaven"
Jerimiah 44:18-22
This is a very clear example of an apostate perverting scripture to his own pathetic ends.
In doing so, however, he emphatically disproves his own case.
1) The "Queen of Heaven" referred to in Jeremiah refers to the Babylonian goddess Ishtar.
To draw any lines between this false goddess and the virgin mother is patently dishonest.
2) As the scripture shows, they made offerings and sacrifices and libations to her and burned incense to her.
They made graven images of her which they WORSHIPPED.
Catholics offer no sacrifices or libations to Mary. They do not worship her or recognize her as worthy of worship.
to claim we do is ludicrous on it's face.
It is good that Matt goes back to Jeremiah, however. In doing so, he puts us close to a true type of Mary.
The Queen Mother.
2 Kings 10:13
he met some relatives of Ahaziah king of Judah and asked, "Who are you?" They said, "We are relatives of Ahaziah, and we have come down to greet the families of the king and of the queen mother."
6. Good works are marks that one has been born-again.
good works are nothing more than what we are required to do. I have shown you countless verses that you will be judged by your works, so much so that you can no longer plausibly deny it.
I have been praying for the lost sinners for salvation of their souls for almost 20 years. But since "Deeper Truth doesn't know me they can judge me and bring railing accusations and revile me which causes them to break kingdom law. and by these works they can not inherit the kingdom of God.
I judge what you post which is little more than rabid, hate-filled polemics.
I have taught( and you can find it repeatedly throughout these blogs )that belief doesn't earn salvation. Christ earns salvation and we recieve it from him by grace through faith.
we receive salvation by cooperating with grace and producing good fruit
"50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die."
Jesus wants us to eat the bread which came down from heaven, not the wafer which came over from Rome.
very cute. Yet, Jesus says nothing about how I can receive this bread from a kentucky hypocrite pastor
Luke 18:26"And those that heard it said, "who then can be saved?"27 And he said The things which are impossible with men are possible with God"
Not even the rich are rich enough to earn there way to heaven. We are all evil. Our good works are in fact defiled and evil.
3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Jesus promise salvation through faith.
john 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The first 3 gospels were simply recording Jesus as was fulfilling the Old Covenant
However Paul brought the New Revelation for the Gentiles of Salvation based on grace.
As a result John was to informin people of Jesus other teachings concerning grace which supported Paul.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
power to BECOME sons of God
thank you for proving the Catholic position.
Speaking of legitamite spiritual authority. "Deeper truth" is hiding behind a goofy phrase that sounds like gnosticism. What spiritual authority do you have. What qualifications do you have to teach anybody?
none. I don't lean on my authority. The answers have already been produced FOR ME by an infallible Church. That is how I know that all I speak is truth because I didn't rely on my own fallible understanding, as you do.
Matt has been shown the truth but has chosen to cling to his satanic, man-made false religion.
I hope he converts rather than suffer the eternal fires of hell.
but he has to make that choice.
So, let me get this straight...
A) Mary was the Virgin who brought forth a Son.
check
B) Her Son is Emmanuel (God with us)
C) To call Mary "Mother of God" is to pray to a demon.
This is not only an outrageous blashphemy against God, it is a complete non-sequiter.
"none. I don't lean on my authority. The answers have already been produced FOR ME by an infallible Church. That is how I know that all I speak is truth because I didn't rely on my own fallible understanding, as you do."
This is the heart of the matter
"Hidden truth"
You have debated yourself in circles. You claim the word of man is fallible. But the word of men in the RCC is infallibile. Then we I bring you the word of God you ignore it and claim that I am the enemy. You have claimed yourself to be humble by hijacking my blog and using it as your pulpit. You claim a faith that judges people while being ignorant of their personal lives. You will notticethat while I have attack your faith I have strived to not attack your people. You you do not have boundaries even when you are a guest.
"none. I don't lean on my authority. The answers have already been produced FOR ME by an infallible Church. That is how I know that all I speak is truth because I didn't rely on my own fallible understanding, as you do."
This is the heart of the matter
"Hidden truth"
You have debated yourself in circles. You claim the word of man is fallible. But the word of men in the RCC is infallibile. Then we I bring you the word of God you ignore it and claim that I am the enemy.
No, it is you who is arguing in circles. At the same time you claim that men cannot possibly teach infallibly, you hold up the Bible, written by MEN as infallible.
Which is it?
Can God speak infallibly through men or not?
Who wrote the books of the Bible?
People like Paul...
1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
People like John...
9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."
These people made no bones about the fact that it was THEIR HUMAN words that you were about to read.
They argued that THROUGH THEM and THEIR HUMAN WORDS, an infallible God spoke.
and you CLAIM you believe them.
ah, but DO you?
apparently not. These same Scriptures that you claim to adhere to, demand that you submit yourself to legitimate authority founded by God.
Matthew 23
Seven Woes
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you.
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Matthew 16
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
and yet, all of a sudden, God lost the ability to preserve His teaching, according to you.
Your circular logic is hillarious. Our church- founded by Christ- is NOT infallible but the Bible you STOLE from it is. LOL
You have claimed yourself to be humble by hijacking my blog and using it as your pulpit.
My pulpit? Nonsense. I am doing nothing but humble an arrogant, hate-filled hypocrite.
You claim a faith that judges people while being ignorant of their personal lives.
Physician heal thyself!
*Priests are drunks and child molesters.
*catholics are anti-semites.
*idol worshippers.
*murderers
shall I go on?
You are such a vile hypocrite! I judge your own words and I have even included some examples of how one could stereotype you as you stereotype us.
Afterall, Baptists formed the KKK.
should I judge you like you judge?
You will nottice that while I have attack your faith I have strived to not attack your people.
actually, I have noticed JUST THE OPPOSITE. You CANNOT attack my faith so you resort to all manner of guilt by association, smear and juxtaposition. "Hitler was a catholic, Chavez is a Catholic, Catholic pedophiles, Catholic drunks, praying to demons..." on and on and infiniteum. One spew of projectile vomit after another.
and why? because the Word of God, in the scriptures refutes every single silly thing you utter and everyone has watched me make you look like a fool.
You you do not have boundaries even when you are a guest.
boundaries? I am not a guest. I am someone putting a vile hypocrite in his place.
Next, this lying hypocrite will claim that the I deny the infallibility of Scripture-which I just affirmed or he will claim that the Bible isn't just INSPIRED within the writers but DICTATED TO them.
another protestant invention, easily refuted...
1 Corinthians 1:16
(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.)
unless you think God has suddenly developed memory loss.
None of Matt's heretical claims stand up to scriptural srutiny. That has been demonstrated beyond dispute.
Ready to stop trying to defend your plastic, easy way out, fast food, fake religion and join something real?
The Vaitcan citizen per citizen is "THE" richest country in the world.
To argue otherwise is extremely ludicrous. When you have nearly a billion tithing weekly where does the money go. not too mention the amount of catholics in higher places? Come on!!!!!
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Most years, the Vatican runs a deficit. Why? because the Catholic Church is the most charitable organization on earth....by far
Matt and his false religion have been roundly exposed.
Riddle me this, batman.
Who wrote the Gospel that bears the name of your namesake?
There is nothing in the text that attributes it to Matthew. The infallible Catholic Church did that. So, like it or not, everytime you quote from Matthew's Gospel, you affirm the infallibility of the Pope.
Idn't life a funny ol' thing?
"The moral law says "Honor thy Father and Mother". As such, Jesus would not merely honor His mother Mary but would do so PERFECTLY."
What a Joke there is no phrase moral law in the scriptures! It is a GReek pagan concept!
This from the same guy who claimed mortal sin wasn't Biblical and that babies are satanic.
talk about someone clueless of what the Scriptures teach....
Protestantism is already meeting it's end. Since the unity promised by God in His church is neither present nor possible in protestantism (due to arrogance and feeble understanding), it continues to become further and further and further divided.
Jesus said well that "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
We see this in America.
While Protestantism in general, and baptists in particular, are experience hemmorages in membership, Catholicism is flourishing.
The Catholic population in the 50 states was less than 50 million in 1979 but grew to more than 59 million in 1999 and 64.4 million today, according to the Official Catholic Directory.
Baptists?
In the last 18 years, despite population growth and immigration, almost all religious denominations have lost ground. Mainline Protestants are down the most. Methodists, for example, have gone from 8 to 5 percent.
Baptists are down from 19.3 to 15.8.
Cathlicism was shown in the survey to have been flat-neither up or down- but that is false because Russian and Eastern Orthodox were included. When on Roman Catholicm is counted, membership is up significantly and Seminarians are up DRAMATICALLY.
The study, by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, at Georgetown University, found that 3,386 men in the United States were enrolled in graduate-level theological work for the priesthood in the current academic year, up by 228 from last year and the highest figure since 1993-94.
This all proves what?
It proves the TRUE church.
Acts 5
33When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death. 34But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35Then he addressed them: "Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."
In attempting to persecute the Catholic Church and hasten it's end, you are only fighting against God....a fight you will never win.
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
[[[[ Neither of those citations buttress your case in any manner. On the contrary, they buttress mine. For material greed (to which the first citation refers) and moral cowardice (the second) both can have the effect of nullifying a professed believe.
The fact is that your silly little protestant fantasies cannot withstand scriptural muster so you are now playing the persecuted victim.
It rings hollow. For you are not persecuted for Christ, nor even for being a protestant baptist. After all, one of my dearest friends ever was a baptist (God rest her soul).
You are persecuted for being a phariseical hypocrite who lies about and spews hate at all who disagree, yet still acts as though he is so entitled to heaven that God just doesn't have any choice but to let him in.
Persecution for your own arrogant pride is certinly not anything more than receiving what you deserve. It will earn you no greater glory in heaven. ]]]]]]
John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
1 Cor 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Cor. 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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