Thursday, March 26, 2009

Does Jesus teach works based salvation?

1. Jesus only taught that which was the beginning of the Gospel
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The gospel tells the whole story of his life death burial and resuurection. Jesus only taught the kingdom since he had not yet been crucified.
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

2. Jesus taught his doctrine for Jews under the Old covenant.
Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Jesus sayings about salvation had to be placed in a category of prophecy because the people at the time did not have the Holy Spirit.
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
The Holy Spirit was to come after the resurrection.
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

3. The lessons Jesus had preached were concerning the Kingdom which Jesus was king /messiah of.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Pay careful attention to the fact that Apostles were only commissioned at this point for Israel. Why because the New Covenant was a covenant for Israel.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
4. The apostles were concerned simply with the restoration of the nation of Israel.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

5. The apostles were to rule over the restored nation of Israel.
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

6. Jesus, in the synoptic gospels, is laying down the fundamentals of New Testament/Kingdom religion and the apostles would be mainly concerned with religion, until Paul’s revelation.
Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

7. Prior to the cross salvation was to be attained after death.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

8. Through the cross Christ finally gave Heaven to the dead saints.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

9. Peter’s concern at Pentecost was not primarily the message of salvation but instead a message of repentance to the lordship of Christ.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Peter presented the case that Jesus was the Jewish messiah. He is not focused upon the concept of how people are to be saved. There is one reference to salvation.
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Yet, Peter is simply quoting the prophet Joel. Peter is not denying salvation, yet salvation is not the #1 purpose of this sermon. Israel needs to repent of its rejection of Christ.
Then we see the retort “What must we do?” If the people were focused on the topic of salvation they would more naturally ask “…to be saved?”. Instead they asked the question as it was because they were not concerned about heaven. They were concerned about offending God because of the death of Christ.

5. It was the Apostle Paul that brought the revelation of Grace and a completed gospel for even the gentiles.
Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Here we see Jesus himself giving a commission to Paul. It is obvious he has been given a unique calling. Unique even to the Apostles.
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Paul was to administer the dispensation of grace.
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
It is very plain here that Paul has a unique revelation. That the Gentiles would be saved on equal terms with the Jews. Yet the Jews had the law and the gentiles were lawless.
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
The legalist then has a dilemma; how can the gentiles be included in salvation if they are lawless? Legalists then come up with a new Law! Yet Christ did not follow a new but the Old Law.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus did not do away with the law. He affirmed that the law would not change. Notice the words “one jot or one tittle”? This is in the Hebrew grammar and not in Greek. Jesus was clearly referring to the Old Testament. The phrase “one of these” says that Christians should not argue the law to be done away with.
So how are gentiles included in equal standing with the church?
By grace!
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

5. The Apostles would accommodate Paul’s revelation as time went on.
A. Apostles endorsed Christ
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
B. Peter taught salvation by grace
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

C. John would write the gospel of John focusing upon Jesus teaching of grace.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Joh 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
What about the end-times works based judgement?
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is a classic example of a passage that it typically interpreted without context. It is a larger text so many would assume that is directly written to all audiences. Yet this teaching of Christ only appears to the gospel of Matthew and is found in no other gospels. Does that take away it’s authenticity? Of course not! But it does say that Matthew felt uniquely responsible to write for His direct audience. Who was Matthew’s direct audience? The Jews of Israel. What was the unique purpose of Matthew’s Gospel? That Jesus was in fact the Jewish Messiah. The first half of Matthew is concerned with fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecies proving that Jesus was Christ. Towards the end of the gospel we see Jesus teaching on the end-times. This is to help making the distinction between the first coming and Second Coming of Christ. So Matthew is more concerned than any other gospel with fulfilled prophecy. He wants to explain to the Jews why Jesus is not fulfilling prophecy concerning the end-times.
It is through his discourse that we see this take place. In a previous parable in chapter 25 “The parable of the 10 virgins” we see Christ is coming to take His Bride. Yet later on now we see that Christ is coming to the earth. Later in the writings of John and Paul we will see Christ coming and taking Christians to Heaven. Yet here we see the opposite, that Christ is coming to the earth.
We also see that Christ is separating among the nations. Yet churches were to already be separated.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
If the churches are even remotely separated then why would Christ need to separate them? Did not Christ already know the believers?
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
This is not the New Testament Church they have been gathered by Christ.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This judgement will be in the aftermath of what we call the great tribulation.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
At the end of this tribulation there will be a gathering not by Christ but by angels.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now it is said that there are teachers who argue that this tribulation was the destruction of Jerusalem. Because if it was we see the heavens moved and Jesus angels would have already gathered the elect form the four corners of the earth. There would be no church!!
It is obvious that the judgement of the sheep and goats is the same Judgement as after the tribulation. But some will ask what about the end result. One group in Hell and one group in Heaven? Actually we must look at the words again.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
The righteous are not mentioned as entering heaven. They enter the earth.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
The righteous will enter the literal Kingdom of God, which we call the millennial reign.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
But what of the works?
First I would like to say that when I hear of these good works I do not feel any condemnation but instead rejoice in them. Because this is the reflection of the goodness of the God who saved my soul. These works were marks. They were distinguishing signs that these people were born-again. But it did not make them born-again. After all Jesus calls them brethren.
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Y You can not make yourself part of a family. You must be born or adopted into the family. This is salvation. It is God who adopts us. But to ignore the gospel is to run away from home.
Also notice how the disciples of Christ are to emulate Christ. The reason that this is important is that Christ wants us to have unconditional love. It would be backwards if Christ were to desire us to have unconditional love if He did not have unconditional love for us desiring our salvation?
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Jesus demonstrates that After His resurrection we will be saved by grace through faith.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jesus demonstrates that His resurrection will accomplish salvation upon faith alone.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Here the phrase “gave his only begotten Son” is a reference to the cross. So the “faith alone salvation” was not the standard prior to the cross only afterwards. Look at the clause “have everlasting life”
2192 echo {ekh'-o} “have”
including an alternate form scheo {skheh'-o}, used in certain tenses only), a primary verb; TDNT - 2:816,286; v
AV - have 613, be 22, need + 5532 12, misc 63, vr have 2; 712
1) to have, i.e. to hold 1a) to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as 2) to have i.e. own, possess 2a) external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc. 2b) used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship 3) to hold one's self or find one's self so and so, to be in such or such a condition 4) to hold one's self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to 4a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing
This clause is presented twice back to back. This would indicate that the Lord wanted to add emphases over the possession of eternal life. Also, notice the word “world”. From a legalist point of view, it would be better to say “church” or “righteous”. After all, how could Christ reach the world when only the best behaved saints have access?
Yet Christ repeats the world and uses the very word “saved”. “Saved” can only have two references. Either to the survival of ethnic Israel or the final judgement. “world” obviously doesn’t refer to ethnic Israel.
Finally we see the clause “believeth is not condemned” saying that if one “beleiveth” even if they are a sinner they are not condemned.
So while Jesus may have had message of repentance to the Jews. And while the message of repentance is still definitely valid to the Christian lifestyle.
Salvation is an act that Jesus completed for us by his grace through faith alone.
Psa 37:39-40 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble. And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

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SonlitKnight said...

Of course Jesus preached "works based" salvation. To even ARGUE the point makes you look like a complete idiot.

Here are some Scripture citations from the Gospels that prove it beyond any doubt.


Matthew






Chapter 3






7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.








Chapter 5






3"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. 10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.









17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder 21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[b]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[c]' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.









29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.









Chapter 6






14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.














Chapter 7






1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.







Chapter 10






22All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.








41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."










Chapter 12







34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."









Chapter 13







37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.








Chapter 16






24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save his life[h] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.








Chapter 18







2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.









15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.












23"Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents[g] was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' 27The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii.[h] He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.
29"His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'
30"But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35"This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."












Chapter 19






16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18"Which ones?" the man inquired.
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'
20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"
21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."












Chapter 23






1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.












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Chapter 24






45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.












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14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'


















31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


















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34Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 38If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."







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42"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 49Everyone will be salted with fire.






Chapter 10






17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'[d]"
20"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?"
27Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."











Chapter 11





25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."






Chapter 13





35"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "










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37"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

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39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner."
40Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to tell you." "Tell me, teacher," he said.
41"Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[d] and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?"
43Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled." "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.
44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little."
48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."







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23Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. 25What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? 26If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."





46An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest."
49"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."
50"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."











57As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go."
58Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
59He said to another man, "Follow me." But the man replied, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
60Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
61 Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."
62Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."




Chapter 10




25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"
28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"
37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."




Chapter 12




13Someone in the crowd said to him, "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me."
14Jesus replied, "Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?" 15Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."
16And he told them this parable: "The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. 17He thought to himself, 'What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.'
18"Then he said, 'This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry." '
20"But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?'
21"This is how it will be with anyone who stores up things for himself but is not rich toward God."




35"Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. 39But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
41Peter asked, "Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?"
42The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. 44I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45But suppose the servant says to himself, 'My master is taking a long time in coming,' and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.




57"Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 58As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.[c]"



Chapter 13



1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
6Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'
8" 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' "



22Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"
He said to them, 24"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' "But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.'
26"Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'
27"But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'
28"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."



Chapter 14



7When he noticed how the guests picked the places of honor at the table, he told them this parable: 8"When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited. 9If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, 'Give this man your seat.' Then, humiliated, you will have to take the least important place. 10But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, 'Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all your fellow guests. 11For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
12Then Jesus said to his host, "When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."
The Parable of the Great Banquet 15When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, "Blessed is the man who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God."
16Jesus replied: "A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, 'Come, for everything is now ready.'
18"But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.'
19"Another said, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.'
20"Still another said, 'I just got married, so I can't come.'
21"The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.'
22" 'Sir,' the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.'
23"Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. 24I tell you, not one of those men who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.' "
The Cost of Being a Disciple 25Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
28"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? 29For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, 30saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'
31"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.





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53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.


Your Salvation is FROM Jesus but, as anyone with their eyes open can see, you will be judged by what you do. To deny it is beyond silly.

SonlitKnight said...

I know it's a long scroll and my apologies for all the white space but I invite you to read them all.

and remember....this isn't even getting completly through the GOSPELS!

Face it, that hocus-pocus, do nothing, lazy man's religion you teach is DEAD.

God doesn't command what He doesn't expect to be followed.

SonlitKnight said...

Your arguments are BEYOND pathetic. Name any New Testament book and I will produce a Scripture refuting your nonsense.

You need to swallow your pride and face the truth, son.

SonlitKnight said...

It is a shame that Matt won't renounce his false religion and submit to God.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

I sincerely doubt you even read this article. Most of these passages have been dealt with in article. Those that were not dealt with directly have been dealt with by implication of the fact that Jesus was teaching under the Old Covenant. Also by interpreting the Bible literally we find these judgements to be not those of belevers.

"God doesn't command what He doesn't expect to be followed."

The problem is that the Catholic church doesn't care to follow God.

Even when you try to argue with scripture. You bring a horribly molested version of the Bible known as the NIV.
You may be proud of this version since a Catholic Cardinal was given oversight of it. However it has been very open about ripping verses out of Gd's Holy Word along with adding words and taking away other words for supposed easy reading. This is a stupid premise. Because you can not easily read anything if it is not set out in front of your eyes!

However you are barking about your desire for God to judge you over your actions.
I feel like I am Balaam's donkey and you are sitting there trying to whip me to your own demise because what you do not see is the Angel of Death waiting to slaughter your pathetic carcass.

You want to be judged by your works then you will find a book that has been written for you. The book of works.

You have been open in your idolatry to Mary.
you have been in practicing yourverbal abuse or "railing" as the Biblecalls it.
You defend your self by pointing the finger at me and anyone else. However, that approach did not work for your father Adam.
Jesus teaches that every idle word will be judged.

God's wrath must be appeased. Your Jesus only promises to relieve you of some of his wrath. But God's wrath for your sin will never end.

Deeper truth you can not hide your sin from God. Just because you have some men tell you that you are not in sin or that they can step in God's place and say that sin is no longer sin doesn't mean that God will not find your sins.
There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ. (1TIm 2:5)
The fact that your church is trying to take jesus' place makes it anti-christ.
you can still be saved by the forgiveness of Jesu Christ and him alone.
the Bible says that we can only be saved by Christ alone(john 14:6)
If you would repent and turn to him. He would forgive you and I tell you I would gladly recieve you as my brother. but I will not condone your sin and hypocrisy because I do not condone your continuousmarch toward hell

SonlitKnight said...

I sincerely doubt you even read this article. Most of these passages have been dealt with in article.

[ No they have not. ]

Those that were not dealt with directly have been dealt with by implication of the fact that Jesus was teaching under the Old Covenant.

[A truly nonsensical and unsupportable argument. Jesus made no such distinction, nor did the Apostles after His death]

Also by interpreting the Bible literally we find these judgements to be not those of belevers.

[We find no such thing. The historical understanding is iron-clad and irrefutable. Sola Fide is Johnny come lately fad religion that has ZERO historical Church support prior to Martin Lucifer]

"God doesn't command what He doesn't expect to be followed."

The problem is that the Catholic church doesn't care to follow God.

[Only according to an apostate who teaches that which is wholly in opposition to God's laws. What care I for the opinion of a madman who teaches that babies are demonic? Your lack of any competent authority or ability to discern Scripture has been made manifest]

Even when you try to argue with scripture. You bring a horribly molested version of the Bible known as the NIV.

[LOL The NIV, is an original translation, unlike the KJV. Nevertheless, it is a protestant translation so it would seem a more than worthy concession to reach someone on your side....someone not blind, that is]


You may be proud of this version since a Catholic Cardinal was given oversight of it. However it has been very open about ripping verses out of Gd's Holy Word along with adding words and taking away other words for supposed easy reading.

[ Pretty desperate of you to attack the translation because of the multitude of scripture that refute your nonsense.

Since you ask, my Biblical preferences are as follows;

1) The Douai translation. Quite simply the most accurate and faithful English language Bible ever produced.

2) New American- maily for it's abundant study resources.

3) Jerusalem.

4) Revised Standard.

Using the NIV is a concession to your side because- let's face it- the error riddled KJV is really problematic. ]

This is a stupid premise. Because you can not easily read anything if it is not set out in front of your eyes!

[It is YOUR premise, not mine. Therefore, I agree...It was stupid of you]

However you are barking about your desire for God to judge you over your actions.

[Straw man....
silly, silly fundiprod. My desire would be that I could get in the easy way such as you propose. Afterall, simple human nature would make it highly desirous that we could live life as selfishly as we choose and still get a free pass to heaven. I can certainly see the attraction of your easy-way-out religion. The problem is that those who follow your scheme will find themselves in hell lamenting their blindness.]

I feel like I am Balaam's donkey
and you are sitting there trying to whip me to your own demise because what you do not see is the Angel of Death waiting to slaughter your pathetic carcass.

[ *yawn* by what authority do you speak of the will of angels? pffft]

You want to be judged by your works then you will find a book that has been written for you. The book of works.

[You keep falling back on trhe strawman so I can only conclude that you have run out if options. What I want (or what you want, for that matter) is wholly irrelevant. At the moment of my death, I will be judged by my works. At the moment of your death, you will-likewise- be judged for your works.

That is a fact and it is undeniable. Living a life of self imposed delusion based on false religion will only increase the likelihood that you will die in deadly sin and be damned eternally to the place of torment.

This is not an issue of me wanting one path while you desiring another. This is an issue of an objective reality that I have been sober enough to accept while you cant because you are drunk with false religion]


You have been open in your idolatry to Mary.

[Apparently, you believe that mere repetition of an inane accusation constitutes proof]

you have been in practicing yourverbal abuse or "railing" as the Biblecalls it.

[Physician, heal thyself. you need only look at your own nastiness in this very post]


You defend your self by pointing the finger at me and anyone else. However, that approach did not work for your father Adam.
Jesus teaches that every idle word will be judged.

[That is bad news indeed for you who calls all Catholics drunks, molesters, idolotars and prayers to demons]

God's wrath must be appeased. Your Jesus only promises to relieve you of some of his wrath. But God's wrath for your sin will never end.

[Another pathetic strawman argument. I never made anything even remotely close to this argument]

Deeper truth you can not hide your sin from God.

[nor can you. Of the two of us, you are the only one trying to do so]

Just because you have some men tell you that you are not in sin or that they can step in God's place and say that sin is no longer sin doesn't mean that God will not find your sins.

[Ahhh...So Jesus is a liar then...

John 20
22 After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained.


I guess one of the biggest differences between us is that you claim to believe the Scriptures, while I actually do ]

There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ. (1TIm 2:5)

[Another redundant argument that no Catholic has ever disputed]

The fact that your church is trying to take jesus' place makes it anti-christ.

[Another foolish accusation that you think can be made true by multiple recantation though it has been refuted infinitum]


you can still be saved by the forgiveness of Jesus Christ and him alone.

[I AM being saved by Christ ALONE]

the Bible says that we can only be saved by Christ alone(john 14:6)
If you would repent and turn to him. He would forgive you and I tell you I would gladly recieve you as my brother.

[ You are hungup on what you see as a contradiction. Nowhere in Scripture are we told that belief in Christ reqires nothing on our part. In fact, we are told the opposite]

but I will not condone your sin and hypocrisy because I do not condone your continuous march toward hell

[ It is YOU who is in peril of hell, Matt because it is you who cling relentlessly to man-made heresy. ]

SonlitKnight said...

You are under the delusion that you can serve Jesus while slurring the very Church He commanded you to obey.

I pray you don't learn too late of your foolishness.

SonlitKnight said...

your easy believest, fundie prod, faith by word only, ronco religion won't save you.

SonlitKnight said...

Matt's religion can be summed up thusly...

"I believe Lord! I believe, I believe!....I'm still not going to do what you command. In fact, I am not merely going to disobey your commands, I am going to attack and blaspheme them.

....but you still have to let me into heaven cuz I believe!"


The spiritual snake oil that Matt sells makes a mockery of the divine justice of the Almighty.

Don't be fooled by Matt's fake religion. Jesus can save you but not if you aren't willing to obey Him. He has to be Savior AND Lord. That means you have to reject fundieprod carpet baggers like Matt, selling magic prayers to nullify the 10 commandments.

Matt doesn't even believe the tripe he is pushing. He is a man living in denial because not living like a red neck heathen is (boo hoo) tooooo harrrrrd.

There is but one Church that is;
1- One
2-Holy
3-Catholic (universal)
4-Apostolic

All others are made made counterfeits.

SonlitKnight said...

The epistle of James (which was written after the cruxifiction btw) absolutely slays Matt's pathetic theology. One has only to read....and then chuckle as Matt tries to tell you to disbelieve your own eyes!

James 2
8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? [obviously not] 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone [Matt] will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.


James just settled it. Game, set, match. Checkmate.

Sola fide is officially refuted.
The end.

SonlitKnight said...

Not surprising that Martin Lucifer called James "an epistle of straw", continuing. "I'd like to throw Jimmy in the fire".

Now, "Jimmy" is still part of our sacred canon...while it is poor Martin who is in the fire.

SonlitKnight said...

Lucifer also added the word ''alone'' to his translation of Romans 3:28 and decried the book of revelation as a book of riddles.

My, my, my...now we see who the scripture changers really are.

pfft

protestantism is a joke.

SonlitKnight said...

Now, really, Matt.

Your plastic religion slurs the very mother of the savior, and innocent babies, as demonic whilst lauding reprobate hypocrites like Martin Lucifer, John Calvin, John Smythe et al...

Don't you find that bizarre?

Don't you find it strange that you defend a faith creed that insists that people will be sent to hell for FOLLOWING THE COMMANDMENTS of God?

Don't you have difficulty impugning the necessity of baptism when the very scriptures demand it?

There are a hundred issues I could debate you on but you are too hard-headed, arrogant and stubborn to believe what is placed RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

Just remember, if you die in that obstinancy, it will never leave you and you WILL, MOST CERTAINLY, suffer the loss of God and the unimaginable physical and emotional pain that goes with it.

I truly, truly don't want that to happen to you.

However, your faith tradition blasphemes the power of Christ's blood to wash away (actually REMOVE) your sin because it teaches a heretical doctrine of justification by imputation.

That creedo nullifies the justice of God.

Jesus did not die to give you an easy way to heaven so you could simply sin all the more.

Romans 6

1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?


Jesus did not suffer so that you will never have to suffer, nor does He pour out His grace ever more genourously so that you will never have to use it.

Don't you READ the Bible??

You claim that "earning" salvation is impossible but Jesus answered this question with manifest clarity.

Matthew 19

24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.


So, if God COMMANDS good works, and through His grace, gives believers the strength to DO good works, His divine justice would demand that you be judged by whether or not you do them....and so you will.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


You teach an "I can't do it, so Jesus has to do it for me" doctrine that is the very definition of unbelief.

Sure.... my rightouesness is filthy rags. Of course, Salvation is not of my works lest I should boast.

However, just as Noah chose cooperation with God and was thus saved, Lott's wife chose poorly. Just as Jonah decided to cooperate with God and was saved, Judas chose poorly. Just as Mary chose wisely, you are choosing poorly.

For make no mistake, if you think you are going to coast into heaven, riding a wave of hypocrisy and sanctimony, you have another think coming.

Jesus gave us the power to become sons of God.
John 1:12

Yet, your salvation must be worked out with fear and trembling (Phillipians 2:12) in the confidence that, should you remain faithful, God will complete it.
Phillipians 1:6

You are under the delusion that God cannot use human beings to do His work, even unto their own Salvation.

Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.


This is what Paul was talking about. Any good work I do is Christ working in me. How then, could I possibly have reason for boasting!?

Yet, if receiving the grace of God, I turn back to my own selfish will, can I really claim I am still "saved"!?

BUNK!

2 Peter 2:21-22 (New International Version)

21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"[a]and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."


So, Matt, if you still want to believe in that faith alone garbage, you do so at your own peril. At the instant of your death, your works will justify you or convict you.

It's that simple

SonlitKnight said...

As much as you try and run from it, you have been duped. If you do not break free from your false, easy-way-out religion, you will continue to be in grave danger of hellfire.

SonlitKnight said...

Any one else see the irony between these two statements...made within 2 paragraphs of each other?

I feel like I am Balaam's donkey and you are sitting there trying to whip me to your own demise because what you do not see is the Angel of Death waiting to slaughter your pathetic carcass.


you have been in practicing your verbal abuse or "railing" as the Bible calls it.


Is this red neck preacher really this blind to his own hypocrisy?

SonlitKnight said...

you made the wine preacher...
man up and drink a cup

SonlitKnight said...

The preacher has realized that in a Scripture based debate with me (or any informed Catholic, for that matter), he loses big time. So, he has decided to obfuscate, verbally assault, lie, prop up straw men and play juxtaposition games.

Then he has the gall to complain when he is forced to drink from his own cup.

Here are the facts, folks. If a person were able to (and of course, none of us can), follow every single precept of Roman Catholicism, that would be a person in perfect harmony with Scripture and sinless before God.

Yet, this preacher likes to bring up all the 'evil catholics' that have existed as if that makes his point.

Take, for example, Adolph Hitler. Baptized as a baby, he never followed the Catholic faith as an adult, hated and despised all religion and, in fact, killed almost as many Catholics as Jews.

Ahhh but Pastor Matt hails Adolph Hitler as an example of what Catholicism produces.

Pastor Matt doesn't want to talk about someone like Mother Theresa or Francis of Assisi.

No...that would be too honest.

but Pastor Matt cannot have it both ways. He cannot condemn the Catholic religion both for those who follow it AND for those who don't. Even the most minimally objective person can see through the hypocrisy in such a tactic.

If Pastor Matt wants to have an HONEST, CIVIL debate on the beliefs of Catholicism, I should be only too happy to oblige.

However, if he continues to act like a sanctimonious jerk, he will continue to be put in his place.

...with no apology.

SonlitKnight said...

I have challenged Pastor Matt - repeatedly- to make a Scriptural defense of Sola Scriptura.

He won't. He can't. It is a wholly indefensible doctrine.

Oh, he will build up more straw men.

He will say that I deny the infallibility of Scripture- I don't.

He will say that the Church teaches doctrines antithetical to Scripture- they don't.

He will say I am adding to the Word of God- As if I could.

but he will never, NEVER produce Scriptural support for the Bible ALONE as a rule of faith.

While you are waiting, I'll produce one that refutes it....

John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.


So, Matt will just climb back on his logical carousel and go round and round.

"The Bible says because the Bible says because the Bible says because the Bible says...."

Who told you that that is what that passage means?

The Bible.

No, I know you read it in the Bible but who told you that was the proper interpretation?

It is.

How do you know?

Because that's what it says.

I disagree that it says that. I say that it says this

Well, you are wrong.

according to who?

The Bible

It is like playing "who's on first" with a 4 year old. A wholly circular argument lost totally on the one making it.

SonlitKnight said...

7 things that Matt falsely accuses Catholics of.

1)The Pope takes the place of Christ.
This is utter rubbish. No Catholic attributes any of the Divine
characteristics of Jesus to the
Pope. Jesus is Omnipotent, eternal,
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, uncreated
and impeccable. The Pope is none
of these things. The Pope is a
human being and a sinner just
everyone else.

Even infallibility is not defined as a characteristic he owns but a
limit by which he is constrained.

2) The worship of Mary. Utter hogwash. Show me someone who claims we worship Mary and I will show you someone with no worldly clue of what worship is.

3) We believe we can "earn salvation" by our "own works". Someone doing their "own works" is doing something called sin. Any work that is not of God is sin. Any work that is godly is OF God and not our own work.

4)"Adding to/subtracting from the Bible". The Catholic church is in perfect concert with the scriptures. In fact, it is the only faith tradition that can make such a claim. If the Catholic Church disagreed with the Scriptures on one letter, I would leave it today.

In fact, it is Protestants who reject inspired scripture such as 1 & 2 Maccabees, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach....

5) Catholics are "Anti-Christ".
A preposterous claim.

1 John 2
22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

All Catholics -especially the Pope- affirm the Trinity and the humanty of Jesus. One has to be willing to pervert scripture to suggest otherwise.

6) Catholics do not accept Jesus as Savior. Ludicrous! Nothing could be further from the truth!

All Catholics acknowledge that we are saved by Christ. It is fairer to say that, though WE accept Him as Savior, YOU refuse to accept Him as LORD...in any way other than empty words, that is.

7)Catholics believe that the Sacrifice of Jesus was not once and for all. Utter and complete bunk.

Arguing with someone like Matt is exceptionally difficult because you almost never get to debate the faith you ACTUALLY hold. You spend all your time disabusing nonsensical falsehoods about your beliefs because he is too hard-headed and hell bent on demeaning catholics to ever give their beliefs a fair hearing.

John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—and I would heal them."


Of course, his determined conviction that Catholics are wrong on all things isn't something he has been able to demonstrate with Scripture (or by any other means, for that matter)...but there is still time.

Apparently, he thinks I should leave the Catholic Church simply based on the fact that he doesn't like it.

He will have to do better than that....

SonlitKnight said...

instead of saying omnipotent twice, I meant to say omnipotent and omniscient.

SonlitKnight said...

When people like Matt use false claims about Catholicsm to denigrate it, he shows that he is unsure about his own position and is trying to reassure HIMSELF, not convince anyone else.

SonlitKnight said...

Those that were not dealt with directly have been dealt with by implication of the fact that Jesus was teaching under the Old Covenant. Also by interpreting the Bible literally we find these judgements to be not those of belevers.

Translation: "awwwww He didn't really mean it! He was jus' kiddin'!"

I have to give you points Matt. That was probably the most inventive, wholly unsupported pile of manure I have ever seen.

Matt will bend his Bible in half before he will succumb to the reality that it just plain does not teach what he wants it to.

Mark 3:5
He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored.

SonlitKnight said...

I guess Peter is teaching the Old Covenant too. *LOL*

Silly fundie

1 Peter 4
16However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18And,
"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"[a]

19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.


but...but....but....I thought we weren't allowed to do good.

*lol*

Silly Matt is painted into a corner... AGAIN

SonlitKnight said...

first, they find, to their shock and horror, that their own Bible disproves their protestant madness.

it's all downhill from there.

Matt will be a Catholic in a year...tops

SonlitKnight said...

it is amazing to ponder what a vile, crude, lustful and filthy hypocrite Martin Lucifer was. A cursory review of the historical record shows this.

One must be aghast pondering how many souls he has led willingly into the fire.

so tragic.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

Sola Fide is Johnny come lately fad religion that has ZERO historical Church support prior to Martin Lucifer]
The truth is that John Wycliffe and huss and the Waldensees and many others espoused this doctrine centuries before the birth of Luther.
Talk about the blind leading the blind!

SonlitKnight said...

I want you to answer the following connected questions. If you can give satisfactory answers, I'll join your church.

1) Are you able to teach infallibly on the Bible and issues of faith and morals?

If the answer to question 1 is Yes, please provide evidence to support your assertion.

If the answer is no, please proceed to question 2.

2) Can you list- specifically- the issues on which you cannot be trusted and provide evidence that you are infallible on the others?

If the answer is yes, please do so.
If the answer is no, you cannot be trusted to give anyone advice concerning their eternal soul. The cost is too high.

Where my soul will spend eternity is the most important piece of information I will ever gain. In fact, nothing else comes close.
I can only depend on advice from a Church that gets it 100% right, 100% of the time.

Can you meet that standard? yes or no?

If not, I'll stick with the RCC. They meet that standard.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"1) The Douai translation. Quite simply the most accurate and faithful English language Bible ever produced.

2) New American- maily for it's abundant study resources.

3) Jerusalem.

4) Revised Standard.

Using the NIV is a concession to your side because- let's face it- the error riddled KJV is really problematic. ]"

Using the NIv is more Pathetic than your distorted Catholic revisions.
I think it would be a more easyto read translation of your statement.
"error riddled" to mean "sin-exposing"

Jehovah will laugh at you and all your folly.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"My desire would be that I could get in the easy way such as you propose. Afterall, simple human nature would make it highly desirous that we could live life as selfishly as we choose and still get a free pass to heaven. I can certainly see the attraction of your easy-way-out religion. The problem is that those who follow your scheme will find themselves in hell lamenting their blindness.]"

Alright so in the world we have a billion muslims almsot a billion hindus, about a billion buddhist and shinto and pagans.
Why does every religion except new Testament Christianity believe in works if grace is natural?

So why do satanist side with you?

Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

In case you did not here this I will ask again.
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

Jesus told the rich man that no man is good except for God.

Why are you the exception?

Why are you the exception?

















WHY ARE YOU THE EXCEPTION?

SonlitKnight said...

Alright so in the world we have a billion muslims almsot a billion hindus, about a billion buddhist and shinto and pagans.
Why does every religion except new Testament Christianity believe in works if grace is natural?


Here is a tip. Your arguments should be able to meet a minimal level of logic before you hit the "post" button.

Your "grace" vs "works" is a yawner. Once again, you set up a strawman because you are too cowardly to meet the issue head on.

The issue isn't grace vs works but lip service vs genuine faith.

So why do satanist side with you?

On the contrary, Satanists agree with you. "Have a ball! Sin all you want. There is no consequence!"

Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?

Another strawman. I believe Jesus is perfect enough to save me as long as I follow Him in obedience rather than paying lip service.

your arguments are beyond silly.

SonlitKnight said...

In case you did not here this I will ask again.
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?
Why do you believe you are perfect enough to make it to heaven?

strawman, strawman, strawman, strawman.

idiot

SonlitKnight said...

and it's hear... h-e-a-r, you illiterate moron.

SonlitKnight said...

Jesus told the rich man that no man is good except for God.

Why are you the exception?

Why are you the exception?

strawman, strawman. You know I never made that argument.

now...start answering the tough questions I posed to you...or admit you can't.

SonlitKnight said...

I predicted Matt would resort to the strawman rather than answer the tough questions.

It's always the way.

SonlitKnight said...

Matt relies on the error riddled KJV, in which is found the famous blasphemous comma error.

Apparently, he enjoys being wrong.

SonlitKnight said...

Matt thinks he can sin all he wants, then hide behind Jesus robe so God won't see his sin. Oh...Matt will admit he is a sinner but won't admit to any particular sin.

Catholics, on the other hand, believe in facing our sin, following the remedy Christ prescribed and making use of the graces gained by His death to grow stronger, more obedient and sanctified.

Fundie prod sluggards like Matt believe in getting ''saved'' then doing whatever they want...

SonlitKnight said...

keep running from the tough questions, little man.

I'd expect nothing less...

SonlitKnight said...

Matt is setting up what is called a 'false dilemna'. Either you believe his nonsensical position that Jesus doesn't care how much you sin, as long as you claim you believe or you are rejecting Christ and trying to save yourself.

The real choice is between hypocrites like him who claim they believe and those of us who actually do.

lip service is not belief.

SonlitKnight said...

Incidentally, Matt displays his ignorance by calling God "Jehovah"- a clear mistranslation.

http://www.yhwh.com/asimple.htm

SonlitKnight said...

Matt is long on insults, nastiness and sinful arrogance but short on common sense or anything resembling a genuine faith.

He certainly has no idea how to read a Bible.

SonlitKnight said...

Just in case you may have been unable to look past his pomposity, to his abject ignorance of scripture,
here are 25 things Matt believes that are wholly and completly unsupported by the Scriptures.
I should be only too happy to debate Matt on any one of these.

1) A person must be perfect to obtain heaven.

2) Jesus prescence in communion is only symbolic.

3) Priests do not have the authority to forgive sins.

4) A pastor must be married.

5) Babies are demonic.

6) Intercessory Prayers (prayers that request prayer to God, on your behalf) to the Saints constitutes worship.

7) Prayers to the blessed Mother are defacto communications with demons.

8) Jesus taught under the Old Covenant, even though, after His death, no one could be saved by it.

9) Miracles ended with the apostles.

10) Binding and loosing ended with the apostles.

11) Apostolic succession ended with the apostles.

12) Salvation comes by a profession of belief in Christ, alone. I.E. that faith does not have to be proven by deeds to be meritorious.

13) The Scriptures are the sole rule of faith.

14) Books such as 1 & 2 Maccabees, Baruch, Sirach are not scripture.

15) He is entitled to his own copy of the scriptures, by divine appointment.

16) He is entitled to interpret the same any way he chooses.

17) Salvation is by imputation and that Christ has promised to forgive your future sins, in advance. (The sin of presumption).

18) There is no distinction between mortal and venial sins.

19) Mary had other children. Mary , specifically...not Joseph.

20) There is no distinction between the MORAL (divine) law and the MOSAIC law.

21) Mary is not the Mother of God.

22) Baptism can only be by immersion.

23) Baptism can only be performed on adults.

24) The whore of Babylon is not Jerusalem.

25) The anti-Christ is not Nero.


Not one of these 25 positions can be defended scripturally...yet Matt claims he is a "Bible-believing" Christian.

SonlitKnight said...

Take Matt's contention that a Pastor must be married. That really doesn't square with Paul, now does it?

1 Corinthians 7
32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.

SonlitKnight said...

Of course, don't expect any actual debate from Matt on these matters...only more demagoguery and hypocrisy.

SonlitKnight said...

Some Scriptures Matt cannot explain;

# Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs.

# Proverbs 17:9
He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

# 1 Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

# Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

# Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."


# Matthew 12:7
If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Luke 6:37
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Mark 12
28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."

32"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

34When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

SonlitKnight said...

perhaps Matt can produce a scripture showing perfection is required to attain salvation.

....it's as likely as flying monkeys.

SonlitKnight said...

Notice that Matt has gotten silent again.

Very well. I am going to give all you kiddies a lesson in basic, orthodox theology.

The Sacraments- Baptism, Reconcilliation, the Eucharist... are not at all mere symbolic exercises as Matt alleges.

To claim so is to demonstrate a lack of faith. The Sacraments are designed to create an actual CHANGE OF STATE.

They do so because they are infused with Sanctifying Grace which was obtained by Christ's suffering and death on the cross.

This grace does 2 things.

1) It actually REMOVES your sin.
2) It makes you more resistant to future sin and able to do good.

This grace is the unearned, free gift of God. Unearned and undeserved. it is provided, in mercy, by a loving God.

Matt alleges that this grace is applied ONCE, for the forgiveness of all sins, past, present and future. This is, of course, an absurd doctrine, wholly unsupported by Scripture.

Belief is not lip service. Belief requires action as it's proof. Cooperation with Grace is essential because salvation is a CHOICE of a free will.

The Scriptures say that those who BELIEVE IN (TRUST) Christ will be saved not those who merely BELIEVE OF (accept His existence as true).

Even the demons know who Christ is and what He did.

A tightrope walker crossed a tightrope over Niagra falls, with a wheel barrow. After reaching the American side, he asked who believed he could make it back to the other side.

Then he asked, "Who will get in the wheelbarrow?"

If you won't get in the wheelbarrow, you don't really believe.

Protestants don't believe enough to get in the wheel barrow. They want to stand on the shore and shout "I believe, I believe".

Getting in the wheel barrow isn't about trusting my own work. It is about trusting His.

Every Catholic is PAINFULLY aware of his own sinfulness- despite Matt's inane rhetoric. Catholics, though, are willing to actually DO SOMETHING about it.

Putting our full faith in the risen Lord, we confess our sins, avoid the near occasion of sin and try, with His help to become better people.

We turn from our former life of self to be reborn to a new- Christ centered- life. In deed, not word only.

Protestants seem to think they can trick God.

SonlitKnight said...

It really boils down to this. If you believe that Christ's blood truly washes away your sins, you agree with me.

If you believe the Christ hides you behind Himself to trick the Father into not seeing your sins, you agree with Matt.

If you agree that being "born again" means you begin a new life, you agree with me. If you believe that the only thing being born again means is that you are not going to hell no matter what, so you don't have to change in any particular way, you agree with Matt.

If you believe that Mary fulfills the BIBLICAL roles of "Queen Mother", "Ark of the Covenant", "Woman clothed with the Sun" and "Mother of God", you agree with me.

If you believe she is no more than a surrugate mother who God impregnated then tossed aside after using her, you agree with Matt.

You can, of course, agree with Matt's faith...... but wouldn't you rather be a Christian?

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

There is but one Church that is;
1- One
2-Holy
3-Catholic (universal)
4-Apostolic

All others are made made counterfeits.

The word "ekklesia" means gathered assembly.
So which Roman Catholic assembly do you believe is the one church?
By the way Paul gave his letter to the Ephesians. Would that make it the one church?(though many scholars argue it was circulated to several churches in the area)
Hey I wish you the best of luck saving up the air fare to fly to Europe!!

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"Don't you READ the Bible??

You claim that "earning" salvation is impossible but Jesus answered this question with manifest clarity.

Matthew 19

24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.""
Not only do I read the Bible but I am empowered by the Holy spirit to interpet it.
Jesus said it was impossible for man to be saved.
But that salvation was only possible through God.
I pray that the Holy Spirit would open your eyes to recieve this gift of salvation.

I pray that you may recieve all of the gifts of eternal life that I have recieve except for my chains and burdens.

SonlitKnight said...

There is but one Church that is;
1- One
2-Holy
3-Catholic (universal)
4-Apostolic

All others are made made counterfeits.

The word "ekklesia" means gathered assembly.
So which Roman Catholic assembly do you believe is the one church?
By the way Paul gave his letter to the Ephesians. Would that make it the one church?(though many scholars argue it was circulated to several churches in the area)
Hey I wish you the best of luck saving up the air fare to fly to Europe!!

Your arguments get sillier and sillier Matt...but thanks for , once again, avoiding the tough questions and posting something irrelevant to anything posted.

SonlitKnight said...

Jesus said it was impossible for man to be saved.
But that salvation was only possible through God.
I pray that the Holy Spirit would open your eyes to recieve this gift of salvation.

I pray that you may recieve all of the gifts of eternal life that I have recieve except for my chains and burdens.

Once again, you argue in circles. Salvation is, of course, from God. Thank you for, once again, demonstrating that you cannot debate

SonlitKnight said...

Matt simply ignores any scriptures that are troubling to his theology (about 3/4 of the New Testament).

It is an effective strategy, you gotta give him credit.

SonlitKnight said...

Remember, Matt.

Jesus will hold you to account for the knowledge that you were given but refused to accept.

You are on your way to hell. Of that, there can be no doubt. I hope you see the light.

SonlitKnight said...

One thing about Matt's silly and stupid arguments and deliberate avoidance of about 75% of the New Testament, is that it removes any doubt that protestantism is an empty, vain and selfish idealology, 100% at variance with the Bible.

SonlitKnight said...

Not only do I read the Bible but I am empowered by the Holy spirit to interpet it.

ACCORDING TO WHO?

The Bible says that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of personal interpretation.

You are empowered to do nothing of the sort....and it shows

SonlitKnight said...

The Bible is our book. The entire New Testament is by Catholics, about Catholics and for Catholics. You are not even supposed to have one except that you stole it from us. God never intended for the Bible to be in your possesion.

SonlitKnight said...

Where are your credentials little man?

what a goof ball

SonlitKnight said...

you are not just a fraud, but a pathetic one.

you are dismissed, little man.

SonlitKnight said...

Please show me the chapter and verse where a redneck kkk wannabee is empowered to interpret the scriptures.

chapter and verse, little man.

put up.

you fundieprods kill me *LOL*

you interpretation of scripture in infantile! *LOL*

SonlitKnight said...

the irony is just amazing. All fundieprod hypocrites are the same. they deny the infallibilty of the church (despite overwhelming Biblical evidence) and claim it for themselves (with ZERO evidence).

Afterall, if the Holy Spirit is leading him, he is infallible!!!

*lol*


blind guides leading the blind...

SonlitKnight said...

Let me see...

One one hand, I have more than 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy espoused by giants like Iraneus, Cyprian, Justin Martyr, Augustine, Jerome, Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, Sheen, John Paul II, Keating.... I have the Scriptures meticulously translated and guarded from error, the writings of the early church, the sacraments and countless miracles, elevating and defining Christ and the Christian faith, and verifying Christ's authority.

On the other hand, I have some redneck Kentucky preacher with an incomplete Bible authorized only by an adulterous and narcissistic english king and written by William Shakespear.

What will I do?

Who will I trust?

SonlitKnight said...

There is a reason why fundiprodism is crumbling right before your eyes and believers are returning in droves to the one true faith.

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=32996

Former speaker Gingrich, of course, made the right decision. Former President Bush will be following soon.

Meanwhile, your faith is represented by godless hypocrites like Barack Obama. enjoy

Protestantism will be dead within 50 years.

SonlitKnight said...

Finally we see the clause “believeth is not condemned” saying that if one “beleiveth” even if they are a sinner they are not condemned.
So while Jesus may have had message of repentance to the Jews. And while the message of repentance is still definitely valid to the Christian lifestyle.
Salvation is an act that Jesus completed for us by his grace through faith alone.
Psa 37:39-40 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble. And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Seperating faith from works is like seperating water from wet. One simply cannot exist without the other.

James 2 talks about this. In fact, James says very clearly thay Man is not justified by faith alone. James 2:24

and how could he be? A man who says he believes but still remains in his sin is not a believer at all....merely a pretender.

SonlitKnight said...

face it.
there is no evidence for your lazy, "I can do whatever I want and I'm saved any" religion anywhere in the Bible.

In fact, the Bible condemns such silliness with frightening clarity.

SonlitKnight said...

this destroys another one of your arguments.

http://www.catholicscomehome.org/audio/2m-sinless.html

SonlitKnight said...

the fact is Matt, that I understood the Bible 30 years ago better than you understand it now! ...and you call yourself a pastor!

Wow! your lack of understanding of the Scriptures is embarassing!

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"face it.
there is no evidence for your lazy, "I can do whatever I want and I'm saved any" religion anywhere in the Bible.

In fact, the Bible condemns such silliness with frightening clarity."

If the Bible condemns the idea of doing whatever you want and thinking you are saved. then why does the RCC practice that religion?

The problem with you assertion of that protestants are sinners and they must work like catholics is that buy and large catholics are not that holy of a people!

I mean I have 1.2 billion witness to choose from.
I live in a heavily catholic town and all I hear is open rebellion of God. You go to the catholic outreaqch events and hear them cussing. I have heard devout Catholics openly curse. I have personally been confronted by dozens of Catholic fornicators. Catholic Alcoholism is a fact of Life. You see hundreds of major violent atrocities involved with Catholicism. Blasphemy of God's word while traing many in paganism. The list is endless!
This whole paradigm of claiming that protestants are evil because they preach grace is foolish.
Your argument only works with the mentally incompetant if they have been hiding in a rock or simply have no id what the definition of morality is.

At the end of the day I have never had a catholic come up to me and witness to me, because ultimately they know that they have nothing to offer.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"Seperating faith from works is like seperating water from wet. One simply cannot exist without the other."
The key flaw in your logic is simple. You think that your works and not the works of Christ save.
My faith is not what saves me. Christ is who saves me. Faith is simply the Key to recieving his free gift.

You think Salvation comes through men.
But you own warped Bibles are telling you that with "man this is impossible"
you might retort that God is working through your good works.
But then what is God doing through your bad works? Is God at war with himself?
If God is not at war with Himself then you must be earning your way to heaven. Which is not Christian.

However it is pagan.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"Don't you find it strange that you defend a faith creed that insists that people will be sent to hell for FOLLOWING THE COMMANDMENTS of God?"

you'll have to show me where in the "Freedom Baptist Church Confession of faith" that people will be thrown in hell for there obedience to the commandments of God.

The Law is Holy and it will show you that you are unholy. Simple.
You claim to be righteous and that you have followed the law.

have you followed the Saturday Sabbath and worked the other eight days?
have you ever prostrated yourself or given honor to an image?
if so you do not follow the sacred law of God and willbe condemned according to the Law.

In Christ,
Matt

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"You are under the delusion that you can serve Jesus while slurring the very Church He commanded you to obey.

I pray you don't learn too late of your foolishness."

Where does Jesus command me to obey the Roman Catholic church?
It is sad that you are a slave to man. You are so busy that you will be encapable of serving Christ.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"Former speaker Gingrich, of course, made the right decision. Former President Bush will be following soon.

Meanwhile, your faith is represented by godless hypocrites like Barack Obama. enjoy"

It is ironic that you will deny responsibility for a baptized Roman Catholic like Adolf Hitler who was revered by Catholics of his time as a defender of the faith.(still never excommunicated!)
Yet when Barack Obama who is not even claiming the name of baptist and attended a Catholic school as a child and revered Father Flarety (an RCC priest)as one of his top three romodels. And is no longer even attending that Disciples of Christ church and got the thumbs up from Catholic Ted Kennedy and pick Catholic Joe Biden to be the Vice-President, now he must be the responsibility of Freedom Baptist church.

Hey, as far as Bush Goes you RCC proponents argue that you are against masonry. Well you know for a fact Bush and his daddy were illuminati Masons. If you really care about his worship of Satan then let's see if he not only converts, but rejects his former associations with the illuminatti skull and bones etc.
If not then maybe you ought to admit you churches secret ties with masonry and paganism!

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.


So, if God COMMANDS good works, and through His grace, gives believers the strength to DO good works, His divine justice would demand that you be judged by whether or not you do them....and so you will."

One obvious problem is that you are ignorant of a lot of protestant theology. You can simply look at my confession of faith and see what I actually believe.
I don't teach against doing good works.

I don't believe that a person can be saved with out being born again.(unlike Catholics)
If a person is born again they will renounce sin and follow Christ as the Lord had revealed in the Bible.
The Bible teaches there is one Lord.
Yet you follow many lords. You currently follow Benedict XVI as your Lord.
Because he speaks infallibly He is your Lord. That's why he where a crown. Sometimes a fish hat to worship the ancient pagon god Dagon.

I do believe their is a judgement for believers over works. It will be the bema judgement of the crowns. This will determine rewards in heaven. Not whther or not one goes to Hell.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"You teach an "I can't do it, so Jesus has to do it for me" doctrine that is the very definition of unbelief."

This is ironic because this idea comes from the Roman Catholic "Saint" Augustine. Pelagiane criticized augustine for praying for God to bring him strength. A debate insued over the sinful nature which pelagius denied. The pope stepped in and kick pelagius out of the Catholic Church.
If you deny original sin and the Pope has declared otherwise would not that make you a heretic in the eyes of the RCC?

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"The Bible is our book. The entire New Testament is by Catholics, about Catholics and for Catholics. You are not even supposed to have one except that you stole it from us. God never intended for the Bible to be in your possesion."
Here we have your own testimony to the psychotic inquisition style Catholicism. The fact is I have met many former Catholics who grew up for decades in your "church" and never knew the scriptures. They were convinced by your deceptive philosophy until they finally recieve a copy of "God's" Word. And then they found true salvation.
If this is the words of your corrupt Church why is roman catholic no where mentioned in the scriptures?
Many Roman Catholics make a distinction themselves between "Catholic" and "christian"
yet they take the name "Rome" which comes from the wolf god Romulus.
The Bible is God's Word to Man.
The RCC is a satan worshipping religion and that is why they go around burning Bibles. Because the Devil hates the Bible.
If you people did have the scriptures you wouldn't waste time blaspheming them in your schools.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

"One one hand, I have more than 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy espoused by giants like Iraneus, Cyprian, Justin Martyr, Augustine, Jerome, Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, Sheen, John Paul II, Keating.... I have the Scriptures meticulously translated and guarded from error, the writings of the early church, the sacraments and countless miracles, elevating and defining Christ and the Christian faith, and verifying Christ's authority.

On the other hand, I have some redneck Kentucky preacher with an incomplete Bible authorized only by an adulterous and narcissistic english king and written by William Shakespear."

God has chosen the simple things to confound the wise.
I may be a poor sinner from Kentucky.
You may have all the religion in the world.

But at the end of the Day I have an almighty all-loving Savior named Jesus Christ.

Meanwhile you will be naked without even your britches, since you find all your works to be wood hay and stubble.
In the sight of the Almight Christ the only begotten Son of Jehovah.

SonlitKnight said...

Riddle me this, batman. Why does every single passage that talks about how everyone will be judged, not support your contention?


Romans 2:12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
Romans 2:11-13 (in Context) Romans 2 (Whole Chapter)
Romans 2:16
This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Romans 3:5-7 (New International Version)

5But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"


No matter how often you attempt to prop up Sola Fide, it simply cannot stand. God does not command that which He does not intend to be done.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:12-16
Paul is showing us that Judgement according to works will condemn all mankind. According this you must claim that God will judge us according to the Jewish Law which your church openly perverts and does not follow. So you are hoping I will forget that you are a law breaker who seeks to be justified according to the jewish law.



3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:19-20
It is obvious, Paul is not insane, he is teaching that the law only condemns.
However through the gospel we may find salvation.

1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16
The gospel is not man-made works like Baptism.



1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-18

Instead it is Christ work on the Cross and his righteousness whis different from ours


Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:20-28
So the question is are you under the law or not?
If you are not under the Law then you will need the righteousness of Christ which is through faith.
It has to be faith alone though.

Romans4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
This is not simply our faith as a merit. Christ is the one with merit.
Your faith alone in Christ is the Key.(or debit card)
When you recieve the Holy Spirit following then you will start producing work. But only after salvation.
Your works are simply signs or marks that show your faith. God knows your sould so he doesn't have to wait.
The problem with works based righteousness is that it will exclude the righteousness of Christ.
It is like your telling God that you do not need christ apparently because you are not much of a sinner.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

God has to be your savior not you co-sponsor or caoch or any of those things.
In Christ Matt

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

By the way if you access to a literal translation I would prefer to hear from God's actual words. Otherwise I have to doubt you know what you talking about.

SonlitKnight said...

Lol

Oh, you know very well that I know what I am talking about...you know alright.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

Do you DT?
Do you?

SonlitKnight said...

Clearly, Peter was right about you unstable fundieprods being clueless about Paul's writings, twisting them to your own understanding.

Suffice it to say that what Paul is saying there is not even close to what you think he is saying.

SonlitKnight said...

Do you DT?
Do you?

without a doubt or even the very smallest, microscopic part of a doubt

SonlitKnight said...

The problem with works based righteousness is that it will exclude the righteousness of Christ.

an absolute theological impossibility. One cannot embrace Christ and reject him at the same time.

One can, however, pay lip service while rejecting Him with your evil lifestyle.

Many of you fundies do exactly that, all the time.

clint said...

It is clear that one you have been saved and been baptized that you do need to follow God & Christ teachings. What does Traditional Christianity not do that is failures to grow in the faith. So, it is not works based salvation to come to God, but growing as a Christian once you have become saved. Basically, fully leaving the false teachings of the Catholic Church and its doctrine.
1.) Keep the sabbath holy
2.) Keep the annual festivals that were not done away with when Christ died on the cross as our Passover Lamb. Namely, Fest of Unleavened bread, Pentecost, Antonement, Trumpets, and Tabernacles which depicts the whole picture of God's Plan of salvation.
If Traditional Christianity would fully leave the false teachings of the Catholic faith it would be fully pleasing to the Lord.

SonlitKnight said...

It is clear that one you have been saved and been baptized that you do need to follow God & Christ teachings. What does Traditional Christianity not do that is failures to grow in the faith. So, it is not works based salvation to come to God, but growing as a Christian once you have become saved. Basically, fully leaving the false teachings of the Catholic Church and its doctrine.
1.) Keep the sabbath holy
2.) Keep the annual festivals that were not done away with when Christ died on the cross as our Passover Lamb. Namely, Fest of Unleavened bread, Pentecost, Antonement, Trumpets, and Tabernacles which depicts the whole picture of God's Plan of salvation.
If Traditional Christianity would fully leave the false teachings of the Catholic faith it would be fully pleasing to the Lord.

If it was clear, you could demonstrate it. Why can't you?

The Bible says that you are Justified (saved) by works and NOT by faith alone.

Once again, protestants insist on truth as being the exact opposite of what Scripture teaches.

Pastor Matt Singleton said...

The problem is that you have really made catholicism look bad by simply lying non-stop.
It reminds me of when Jesus was arguing with the pharisees in John 8. Your father is the devil the father of lies.
by playing games all you have is confusion.
A catholic philosopher named Occam had a test for determing truth. it was that simplicity was truth so whenever we see too much complexity we are to use occams razor to fnd the purified truth.

You believe in works based sslvation. But that doesn't match up with the definition of salvation. what you really mean is that you can earn eternal life.
What this means is that you do not believe in Jesus as a specific saviour. Since you are doing that much.

There are two implications.
first, you believe that God works through man's works and not just on the cross.

secondly Catholics have claimed that not christians may be saved.

Therefore, you do not believe in Jesus as a true savior.
You believe in the priest works on Sunday morning and your works the rest of the time.
You preach Christ crucified unfortunately you have trouble preaching Christ Resurrected.

After all how can he be reigning in your church when have have him nailed on your temple walls as you eat and drink his flesh.
Like Satan you glory in his death and feint victory ove him. Yet I will celebrate that he has rise indeed. He will come back and destroy the Anti-christ the whore. The BEast and false prophet casting them in hell

SonlitKnight said...

The problem is that you have really made catholicism look bad by simply lying non-stop.

I never lie, you filth. You won't even attempt to demonstrate that I have made a single false statement. It's just more of your empty rhetoric. It reminds me of when Jesus was arguing with the pharisees in John 8. Your father is the devil the father of lies.
by playing games all you have is confusion.

yawn. examples? of course not A catholic philosopher named Occam had a test for determing truth. it was that simplicity was truth so whenever we see too much complexity we are to use occams razor to fnd the purified truth.

MY VIEW is complicated????

Well now, let's see...
Your conduct has nothing to do with Salvation even though the Gospel of Matthew alone has more than 20 citations saying it does.

No, Salvation is for anyone who accepts Christ as Savior.

That is, apparently, with the exception of Catholics who accept Him as LORD as well.

Apparently, accepting Jesus as LORD and Savior is inferior to accepting Him as Savior alone.

For if Christ is Your LORD (MASTER), you do what He tells you to do!

and you say MY view is confusing??? LOL
You believe in works based sslvation. But that doesn't match up with the definition of salvation.

I believe in what the Bible teaches and I have clearly demonstrated. what you really mean is that you can earn eternal life.

Now, YOU are the liar. I believe no such thing. What I believe is that I can EARN eternal damnation and that God is not mocked. If He gives me the Holy Spirit and the Grace to do what He commands, I had better do it! He owes me NOTHING! I owe Him EVERYTHING! He is my Lord. Do you even know what a Lord is???

Reason for boasting??? What reason for boasting??? I don't get extra credit for doing what He told me I BETTER do or not doing what He told me I BETTER NOT do
What this means is that you do not believe in Jesus as a specific saviour. Since you are doing that much.

Once again, you lie.

I believe no such thing.
There are two implications.
first, you believe that God works through man's works and not just on the cross.

A clever word play. What you believe is that Salvation was done FOR you so your lazy fat butt can sit on the couch. Jesus says no such thing. Jesus says YOU must carry YOUR cross.

Is Jesus blood sufficient to wash away all your sins? Of Course. But it doesn't LOSE it's sanctifying power the moment you put down the game controller!

What you are suggesting is that Jesus DEMANDS that you NOT DO waht He commanded you TO DO.

True, you didn't say the words but that is the logical end of your idiocy.

and that's all it is is pure idiocy.

The same God who can wash away your sins once, can wash them away again.

What you want to pretend is that sin isn't sin because you give it a new name!
secondly Catholics have claimed that not christians may be saved.

It wasn't long ago that you claimed that Catholics said only Catholics can be saved. Settle one one position, please. I am getting dizzy. Therefore, you do not believe in Jesus as a true savior.

another lie. You just keep piling them up. You believe in the priest works on Sunday morning and your works the rest of the time.
Without Christ I can do nothing. There is no such thing as "my works". You preach Christ crucified unfortunately you have trouble preaching Christ Resurrected.

yawn. Another lie you wont even attempt to substantiate After all how can he be reigning in your church when have have him nailed on your temple walls as you eat and drink his flesh.

I though you said you preach Christ crucified? I guess we are supposed to forget the crucifiction? Without the crucifiction, the Ressurection is meaningless, you simpleton. Like Satan you glory in his death and feint victory ove him.

another blasphemous lie. Easter is the Holiest day on the Catholic calendar. However, for a frothing moron like you, I guess any straw will do, eh? Yet I will celebrate that he has rise indeed. He will come back and destroy the Anti-christ the whore. The BEast and false prophet casting them in hell

by your words will you be condemned by the way...just a reminder.

You STILL haven't produced that verse you ignorant baboon.

SonlitKnight said...
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Pastor Matt Singleton said...

The problem with your condemnation is that your Church claims that the Bible has to be process through centuries of church tradition.
If it has to be processed through tradition centuries later then why does it seem incorrect to search the scriptures concerning the progress of revelation in the New Testament?
You argue that Jesus argues legalism.
I say that he was giving the OLD Testament Doctrine but then was anticipating salvation by grace through faith.
You show nothing to contradict my claim. You just argue that these passages directly apply unless they contradict the Catholic church.
Check mate.