Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Links answering liberals and bible critics.

These articles pertain to the christian liberal religion, textual criticism and theistic evolution.

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Thursday, September 22, 2016

Links to hebrew roots and other law keeping cults

Blogs(earliest to newest)(all relevant)

 trinity 1
 trinity 2
 1 john 5:7
 1john 5:7 pt 2
Praying to Jesus
defending dispensationalism
reaction to rabbi
the preservation of scripture.
defending fact of the sinful nature
The beattitudes
freedom in christ
hell is real
freedom finally
jehovah's witnesses
prophecy of shiloh
pre-trib raptre 1-3
The gospel of Christ explained

discipleship for new believers on the new testament religion
hebrew roots movement proven to be an attack on christianity

Friday, September 9, 2016

Why Russel Moore and Neo-conservative neo-evangelicals should repent about trump

       Now when one discusses the "never Trump" movement there are several figures that I could talk about.  But the one of utmost importance to me is Russel Moore

About Russel Moore,
"Russell D. Moore is an American evangelical theologian, ethicist, and preacher. He is currently president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the public-policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention. Moore previously served at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of six seminaries of the SBC, as dean of the School of Theology, senior vice president for academic administration, and as professor of Christian theology and ethics."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_D._Moore
I knew Russel Moore long before he had any fame,  Moore spent a lot of time as an assistant to Albert Mohler while I was a student.  In many Moore has followed in Mohler's footsteps. 

" In the early 1990s, prior to entering the ministry, Moore was an aide to U.S. Representative Gene Taylor of Mississippi, a Democrat" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Taylor_(Mississippi_politician)
Now let me clarify that Gene Taylor was a conservative blue dog democrat. However, being part of system is infectious.  Taylor  was an opponent of the bush tax cuts for instance.  Interestingly Taylor was a strong opponent of globalist trade agreements like nafta and cafta like Trump argues. 

Russel Moore ecumenicism)

Moore went to speak at a Vatican conference in 2014 on the subject of marriage.  Obviously claiming that they were getting together to fight the secular world's deterioration on the topic of marriage. Pope Francis, several catholic bishops, Jews, mormons and muslims attended this event.

Southern Baptists Rick Warren and Russell
Moore are scheduled to speak later this month
in a Vatican conference on marriage and family
life. Other speakers include Pope Francis,
Catholic bishops and priests, plus Mormons,
Jews, and Muslims.
Southern Baptists Rick Warren and Russell Moore are scheduled to speak later this month in a Vatican conference on marriage and family life. Other speakers include Pope Francis, Catholic bishops and priests, plus Mormons,
Jews, and Muslims.
The November 17-19 conference, “An International Interreligious
Colloquium on the Complementarity of Man and Woman,” will feature about 30 speakers representing 14 religions. It is sponsored by the
Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and other Catholic entities. Moore, who heads the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, says, “I am willing to go anywhere, when asked, to bear witness to what we as evangelical Protestants believe about marriage and the gospel, especially in times in which marriage i s culturally imperiled” (“Russell Moore, Rick Warren to
join Vatican conference,” ReligionNews.com, Nov. 3, 2014).

However, this seems rather pointless considering the fact that these groups are not even unified on the topic of marriage!! 
Mormons and Muslims have justified polygamy, Jews have looser views about divorce and Catholics make a marriage a grace imparting mystical sacrament. What are religious people trying to accomplish telling each other how much they prefer marriage anyhow?
  Roman Catholics is a false Gospel
   Bible Prophecy hints that this organization is indeed the great whore of Babylon, destined to establish the one world religion upon which the Beast will prepare the way for the AntiChrist.
  Russel Moore made another controversial move with the ERLC when the group joined other religious liberty groups in a lawsuit to help build a mosque in New Jersey. http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2016/06/19/russell-moore-defends-building-mosque-to-sbc-critics
Now it is true that as Baptist we believe in a free church in a free state.  There is nothing wrong with Moore vocalizing support for the religious liberty of Muslims.  But using church money to support a cause in opposition to the gospel is a completely different deal!  This is Money meant to establish the truth that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the light! No man may come unto the father but through him! it is not to help spread the Lie that Jesus(Isa) will comeback and assist in killing Christians all over the world as Muslims teach!
   Ecumenicism is a viscous system designed to remove the gospel from the church.
Many in the protestant church are as a result chained in subjection to the Roman Catholic church.

    The Bible teaches that we should avoid these masses of false teachers, especially considering so when representing Christ and churches all over the world.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
2 cor. 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"
   Now Donald Trump is a nominal Christian who has unorthodox testimony of salvation.  in other words He could not express the gospel of salvation when he was afforded the opportunity. This is troubling, but sadly there are more than a dozen presidents who did not express the evangelical gospel correctly. I have my doubts about salvation concerning all the nominees and most of the presidents and vice presidents over the last 30 years.
Russel Moore flippantly categorizes him as a non-christian who needs salvation.
  The reason I say that this is flippant is not because Moore is necessarily wrong for doubting his salvation.  But while the gospel is clear and we know what is and is not the gospel.  Scripture tells us to be careful about judging the hearts of individuals.
1 Cor. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."
   But let's look deeper,  the story goes that Trump was converted by Paula White.  Her orthodoxy is under a bad reputation due to her prosperity gospel. But Trump was raised going to church.  Specifically, the presbyterian church.   Russel Moore will eagerly admit that the Presbyterian church teaches a sound gospel.  So what went wrong?  This was a liberal wing of the church under the headship of the famous pastor Norman Vincent Peale, the author of "The power of positive thinking"  this explains Trumps misunderstanding of the gospel completely! Sadly the positive thinking gospel abandons the gospel of Jesus Christ and mirrors trumps testimony.  Of course "never trump" ministers only want to attack trump as a heretic instead of kindly and lovingly explaining the gospel to him.
     But with Russel Moore you will find many Ironies.
Remember that famous pastor who accompanied Russel Moore to Rome?
Rick Warren.
Peale formed perhaps the most dramatic and meaningful link between religion and psychology of any religious leader in history. It is the same approachable, therapeutic brand of religion that many mega churches, including Saddleback, put forward today. It is this kind of religion that is so appealing to the masses of unchurched men and women that Rick Warren hopes to reach.”pg.94 GeorgeMair A Life with Purpose:Rev. Rick Warren the most inspiring Pastor of our time.Occult connection.
“Writing in the Lutheran Quarterly, Reverend John Gregory Tweed of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and Reverend George D. Exoo of Pitsburgh wrote that many of Peales uplifting affirmations with an “obscure teacher of occult science” named Florence Scovel Shinn.” Pg98-99. GeorgeMair A Life with Purpose:Rev. Rick Warren the most inspiring Pastor of our time.
   here this book honoring Rick Warren.   
Robert Schuller's hour of power ministry confesses to mentoring Rick Warren
"We are the home of the world's first Church Growth Institute, -launching the mega-church movement in the 20th century. Tens of thousands of pastors, including famous graduates Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Bishop Blake, Walt Kallestad, and Sundo Kim of Korea, were mentored here."http://web.archive.org/web/20071122165352/http://www.hourofpower.org/Jubilee/who_are_we.cfm
Robert schuller was mentored by Norman vincent peale.
"Modern televangelist and minister Robert H. Schuller was mentored by Peale. Like Peale, Schuller has also written many religious self-help books, including Move Ahead With Possibility Thinking (1973)."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Vincent_Peale
Rick Warren has dozen several dozen things to prove his infidelity to conservative evangelicalism. here is a blog I wrote When I first noticed this pattern back in 2007.
  Since then Rick has gotten into infamy working ecumenically working with jews and muslims as well as supporting liberal causes like global warming etc.  Rick is also a member of the council on foreign relations.  A powerful lobby which as it's goal wants to put together a global government many call the "New World Order"
   So does it appear that Russel Moore is ok with such compromises of the faith?  But what about last election cycle?  What did Russel Moore say about the candidacy of Mormon candidate Mitt Romney?  After all conservative Evangelicals do not recognize Mormonism as a christian religion but heretic cult.  (Mormonism denies fundamental teachings essential to the gospel such as the infallibility of scripture, the trinity, the incarnation, monotheism, justification by grace through faith alone, hell etc.)
"Russell Moore, a theologian and a seminary dean, said a candidate's religious outlook should be examined specifically for "whether or not the person is going to be able to work for the common good." But he and others warned that supporting a candidate for president does not mean accepting his faith.
"If a President Romney is elected," Moore said, "we're the people who are willing to, if we're invited into the Oval Office, say, 'President Romney, here's where we agree with you, here's what we like about what you're doing, and we sincerely want to plead with you to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ so you don't perish everlasting.'""
  So this generation of Southern Baptist Leadership compromised on this issue and even Billy Graham made an unprecedented move removing Mormonism from their list of cults.
Even though Mike Huckabee, Alobert Mohler said he could not endorse over economic differences.  Would these include Huckabees criticism over globalist trade deals??  Or maybe it was his system that would replace the IRS.  The same IRS that took away the TEA parties tax exempt status in the 2012 election!
Starting in 2008 I could not endorse Mitt Romney based on his Mormonism but also baqsed upon his liberalism.  Pushing illegal immigration, gun care laws, socialized healthcare. global trade etc. Not to mention his strict pro-choice stance his entire time in office.
One of the major problems swimming around all of this is the influence of the Free Masons.

“In light of the fact that many tenets and teachings of Freemasonry are not compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, while others are compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, we therefore recommend that consistent with our denomination's deep convictions regarding the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church, membership in a Masonic Order be a matter of personal conscience. Therefore, we exhort Southern Baptists to prayerfully and carefully evaluate Freemasonry in the light of the Lordship of Christ, the teachings of the Scripture, and the findings of this report, as led by the Holy Spirit of God.
1993 "Report on Freemasonry"  Southern Baptist Convention.
 "Masonry was originally a means by which people in the occult could practice their "craft" and still remain respectable citizens. The official publication of "The Supreme Council 33" of Scottish Rite Freemasonry is titled New Age. Some church denominations are also led by avowed Masons. For example, a 1991 survey by the Southern Baptist Convention Sunday School Board found that 14% of SBC pastors and 18% of SBC deacon board chairs were Masons; it is also estimated that SBC members comprise 37% of total U.S. lodge membership. (A 2000 updated SBC report found that over 1,000 SBC pastors are Masons.)"http://rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/masons.htm

Flaws of Neo-evangelicalism and there post 9/11 failure in revival.

Trotskyites:  Bush and Trump

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 Here I interview 2008 constitution party congressional candidate Ed Parker who traces  roots of the neo-conservative movement  From the trotskyites in Russia through the democratic movement
starting at minute 19. They would switch from democrat to republican during the 1960.
For a good study  discussing the republicans parties history with nazism this espionage book has a great deal of info.

Republican businessmen had invested multiple millions of dollars into Hitler's Nazi regime.
 This is a sad fact that the Rockefeller republicans and many business men invested Hitler for his success and popularity. Men such as Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush.  So just as McCarthy was right about communist infiltration of the democrat party, it is correct to note that facist and nazis infiltrated the Republican party while evangelicals stayed at home.
  Part of this agenda can be seen in the globalism movement as exemplified by the council onm foreign relations.  It was Bush Sr.  Who popularized the now infamous term "New World Order".
and other presidents since have agreed

What does the scripture say?  Should Christians support a one world government?

Genesis 11: And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
It was the act of God that separated the nations.  In fact he initially willed man separate before this curse.
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Acts 17: 26 and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

So God's will is to separate the nations.  When will the nations be unified?
2 thessalonians 2:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

  So the time of the Antichrist is going to be a time of one-world global government. The spirit of anti-christ was and is a reality today.  It would be obvious that this Spirit would desire the global government and enslave others.

 Part of the agenda of one world global government would be to destroy borders and nationality.

Illegal immigration is biblically evil and lawless.
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
Unless the Bible tells us to follow a law and the government forbids it we are to abide by the laws of the land.

Russel Moore supposedly the ethicist tweets
“This election has cast light on the darkness of pent-up nativism and bigotry all over the country.”
 Until recent years laws protecting national boundaries were considered fundamental to government. you can't

Russel Moore needs to do a Bible study on Nehemiah!!!

Nehemiah was greived and felt the curse of God because their city no longer had a wall.
Nehemiah 1: The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace, that Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem. And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven, and said, I beseech thee, O Lord God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father’s house have sinned."  
Nehemiah dealt with brethren antagonizing as well.
neh. 4:12 And it came to pass, that when the Jews which dwelt by them came, they said unto us ten times, From all places whence ye shall return unto us they will be upon you.

The real sin incurring the curse of no borders is the practice of money lending(usery)

Nehemiah 5:And I was very angry when I heard their cry and these words. Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them. And I said unto them, We after our ability have redeemed our brethren the Jews, which were sold unto the heathen; and will ye even sell your brethren? or shall they be sold unto us? Then held they their peace, and found nothing to answer."
Putting high interest rates upon our own culture was sinful in the old testament.
Exodus 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
Neo-conservatives including those pushed by Moore like Bush willfully let the national debt grow.  The political hero of the neo-conservative movement George W. Bush kept national spending growing and the national debt skyrocketing finishing off with the infamous "banker bailout".  But this has been a drop in the bucket compared to the spending of the Obama administration.
Our government has used several ways of stealing the american peoples wealth.  High taxation is obvious.  But what is not obvious is inflation.  The federal reserve ( a conglomeration of banks) has been given unconstitutional authority to control the value of US currency.  And so  printing money to devalue money.  you can save up money all your life and it will not matter because they are stealing your worth.  The value of American money has been stolen a hundred times over and will continue to do so thanks to liberal republicans and liberals and the system of  Keynesian economics.  
leviticus 25:35 And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee. 36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. 37 Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase. 38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God."
How evil  for people of God to take advantage of their own nation. Jesus thinks of usury as wicked and slothful!!
matthew 25: 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Global trade vs. fair trade
  republicans were early on accused of being stingy and not wanting to help the poor and asking for favors by getting big tax breaks.
    Ronald Reagan reacted to this criticism with Reaganomics.  The idea is that if we give big businesses and the rich who have a heavy burden on taxes, these big tax breaks, the private sector would then invest the money back into the middle and lower class citizens with economic opportunities and thus the money would trickle down throughout America!
  This is a great idea, because business is better at the economy than government.
There is a flaw in the system which has left the country divided and poor.  This has to be a closed system economy,  America is currently an open system  we have million of people illegally immigrating into the US and working taking there money(usually free of taxes) out of our country to their homelands.  Then we have  millions of jobs being outsourced to other countries.
  The rich have the incentive.   Globalist trade deals means they have to pay no taxes nor have to deal with any regulations when moving there companies over seas.  But if they keep American money in america they will have to pay taxes and deal with regulations.
So our government is against a tariff a sales tax on foreign goods, but for the income tax which raises the prices on american goods.
   So America is like a broken piggy bank and our economy is continually sliding away.
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Globalism is not just an economic problem though.
How is it that "never trumpers" can look themselves in the mirror?  they want to have a clean outside in there government when they have dirt inside their cup.
through globalism communist countries like china are supported.  China killed 70million people and instead of being punished they are becoming the most influential country in the world.  Our support has helped a country that has aborted 450million babies!!
Is this helping the local citizens?  Of course not it is not capitalist society and btw, the Christians will continue to be suppressed as we will not help them, since we are tied in debt to this country.
  Other countries are worse as they are run by terrorists and use slave labor.
Supporting these countries supports the murder of Christians around the world!!
Slavery is back as a problem and one place is the underground sex slavery trade.  Prostitutes from over seas are often kidnaped and forced into a slave market.  these kidnappers are now on american soil and even working both women and children who were kidnapped in america as sex slaves!
  Illegal immagration by no means only helps migrant workers.  it is the major force pushing the illegal drug trade!   The mexican drug cartel for instances has long invaded america and funneled drugs and empowered the gangs in our inner cities. millions of lives have been destroyed.  Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of these thugs have raped and killed!

 https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/drugdeath1.jpghttps://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/09/Mexico-Killed-R_jpg_600x345_crop-smart_upscale_q85.jpg  Yes these are literal streets with literal running blood!!!

How about Russel Moore go lecture the parents of people murdered by illegal immigrants how racist they are!  He may notticed that many of these parents are racial minorities and legal immigrants.
   The great moral dilemma is whether morality is about looking innocent or accomplishing good.

Donald Trump

While Trump is not the purest family man and not the most faithful to the GOP platform at every point in his life.
People would be surprised by the virtues which Donald has kept across the generations
"Trump was an early supporter of Republican Ronald Reagan for U.S. President in the late 70s."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#cite_note-TrumpsupportsReagan-220
This video reveals trumps views across the decades are consistent.

Trumps is honest about the fact that he did not desire to run for president,  because it was a mean spirited profession. Trump being a billionaire had a lot of freedoms, and personal faults that he did not desire to expose to judgement.  And with his power and prestige Donald did not need the office in the way that many aspiring politicians do.
   Trump has struggled in his life with his personal morality, for instance with his marriage.  Yet the man can turn around and do externally great things.  With the pain of divorce and the stress of running an average of 500 companies it is miraculous that he has been able to raise 4(5th is still a child) well adjusted children who are grown up success stories. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-kids-meet-gop-candidate-donald-trumps-children/story?id=35253768

"never trumpers"  may make a host of attacks upon  Donald's moral choices in life.  Because we have such high standards for our politicians.   Well, would King David,  the greatest King of Israel, God's Chosen People a man of such high standing that people would label the messiah as the "Son of David" be moral enough to be the president of the United States?  The "man after God's own heart" had done many great things. He even wrote most of the biggest book in the Bible "psalms".
But let's look at his sins.   David had 4 wives in polygamy compared to trumps 3, 2 divorced.   Trump is reviled for having confessed to adultery.  Well David had his concubines as well. Trump has been successful raising his children compared to David whose daughter was raped by his son and his other son premeditated murder upon him 2 years later then while staging a coo against David.     Well david had his concubines as well  Also publicly fornicating with David's concubines.  his most succesful son made trump look like a lifelong monk by comparison!! 800 wives could not satisfy him, he needed 300 concubines!  Solomon wrote wisdom books in the bible and was considered the most succesful king of Israel.
  If "never trumpers" wanted a preacher they should have voted for Mike Huckabee.  Most never trumpers did not vote for Huckabee because he did not have enough money. THEREFORE MONEY MEANS MORE TO NEVER TRUMPERS THAN CHRISTIANITY.

Trump is a fighter and typically fights back when he is assaulted.
"@drmoore Russell Moore is truly a terrible representative of Evangelicals and all of the good they stand for. A nasty guy with no heart!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 9, 2016"https://juicyecumenism.com/2016/05/09/donald-trump-slams-russell-moore-nasty-guy-no-heart/
   I have met Russel Moore.   I saw him constantly when I was a student at Boyce Bible College at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.  Bumped into him a couple times, talk occasionally.   Now I know there are those out there who are fans of Moore.   But if an alumni struck up a conversation with me and privately called Moore a "nasty guy with no heart" I really could not be at all surprised.
    Politically what Moore has done is guaranteed that the SBC will be culturally irrelevant in terms of national politics as long as he is in that sbc office.  He has not only burned bridges with Trump but It is a fact that he will not be able to gain any prestige from Hillary.  Billy Graham is on death's door so there goes the days of SBC dialogue with the whitehouse.
   Of course Dr. Moore was almost enthusiastic about loss of influence on the Michael Medved show.
a couple weeks after the unconstitutional gay marriage decision came down he declared that conservatives would not be able to win that victory for another 50years. You see the purpose of the leadership of Russel Moore is to be controlled opposition.  He acts as a speed bump for the common people to submit in defeat to the heathen agenda.   This reminds me of an old movie in the 1970's called "the conflict".  It is about an island of monks off of a local island next to Ireland. during Vatican 2 The mass was to be said in native tongue instead of the Latin tongue.  The ultra orthodox monks felt this to be heresy and so kept the mass in Latin.  A young Jesuit priest (played by Martin Sheen) was sent to coax them into Vatican 2 regulations or else.  The abby tried to avoid the order but quickly submitted.  He then forced the monks to give up their uprising with his experienced influence.  this is the a picture of the modern day evangelical power brokers. Theology is secondary to power.
 Evangelicals are faced to choose between 2 options, but the decision is easy.
ecclesiastes 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion."
We have assumed ourselves to have a righteous standing in the world yet inside we have not been so faithful to God.

Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

In the affairs of the world we will lose judging by a higher standard than the stand with which we have lived.

Ecclesiastes 7:15 All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness. 16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? 17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? 18 It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all."

We raise ourselves up against our rulers when God has removed such power due to our disobedience. This is not wise.

Ecclesiastes 10:20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought;
and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber:
for a bird of the air shall carry the voice,
and that which hath wings shall tell the matter."

If we humble ourselves then we can find blessings as we serve our heathen masters.

luke 16: 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. 9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Friday, September 2, 2016

bible contenders and the flood

 meme what you say or say what you meme!!!



Now we have strong language in this meme but do the have any base?  First of all, the error claimed is not by he typical billions of years of evolution.  Now certainly bible believing Christians should not concede to this accusation.  But at this stage of history the only need to use this type of multi-aeon history is because of the insecurity of a multi billion year earth/universe. Western academia uses anthropology to interpret history according to evolutionary beliefs.
"The word anthropology itself tells the basic story. From the Greek anthropos (“human”) and logia (“study”), it is the study of humankind, from its beginnings millions of years ago to the present day."

 "As a field, anthropology brings an explicit, evolutionary approach to the study of human behavior. Each of anthropology’s four main subfields—sociocultural, biological, archaeology, linguistic anthropology—acknowledges that Homo has a long evolutionary history that must be studied if one is to know what it means to be a human being."http://www.bu.edu/anthrop/about/what-is-anthropology/
" Specifically, some of the areas that you might need to think about as a Christian archaeologist or anthropologist are the central tenets of these disciplines: cultural relativism, human evolution and the role of the material world in constructing human identity."http://www.bethinking.org/your-studies/studying-anthropology-and-archaeology"

Archaeology and anthropology are soft sciences
 "Roughly speaking, the natural sciences are considered "hard", whereas the social sciences are usually described as "soft".[3]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science

 "The main social sciences include economics, political science, human geography, demography and sociology. In a wider sense, social science also includes some fields in the humanities[1] such as anthropology, archaeology, jurisprudence, psychology, history, and linguistics."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science

Soft science is often overestimated.
(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp
(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp
 Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp
(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp

 The methods used to obtain information about the past are archaeology and history


History is interpretation of the past in the words of a historian. It is a scholarly study of what happened in the past without being judgmental or subjective. The main job of a historian is to record the information and facts based upon narratives of the past and recollect the entire sequence of events without getting biased. History starts from the time when writing was invented and people started to keep records of events occurring at that time. Events belonging to a period before history are termed as prehistory and include events and people that are beyond the scope of history as it cannot be verified. History includes authentic information about the past as and when it happened (and also why).


Archeology is a field of study that tries to unearth (literally) information about the past by digging up artifacts and analyzing them to recollect sequence of events of that time. In this sense it is close to history though archeological findings can never be as authentic as fact contained in history as they are based upon narratives written by the people from the past whereas there is no such evidence in support of archeological artifacts and archeologists often try to string together loose ends on the basis of their experience.

What is the difference between History and Archaeology?

Ancient civilizations that do not even find a mention in history are recollected with the help of artifacts and fossils that are dug up in any archeological survey. Archeology is a search whereas history is a recollection of the past on the basis of narratives written by people of the past. This is one big difference that separates history from archeology though both attempt to unravel the past for us. Archeology is also history in the sense that archeologists try to surmise about what must have happened in the past basing their conclusions upon artifacts they dig up. This is intelligent guesswork but history is all facts and information that is already there and just needs to be written in a new perspective and style." http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-history-and-vs-archaeology/

     a. do any of these civilizations have a consistent history to the beginning of time?
of course not, they were seen as inaccurate mythologies.

"The earliest record of the Sumerian creation myth, called The Eridu Genesis by historian Thorkild Jacobsen,[1] is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur. It is written in the Sumerian language and dated to around 1600 BC.[1] Other Sumerian creation myths from around this date are called the Barton Cylinder, the Debate between sheep and grain and the Debate between Winter and Summer, also found at Nippur.[2]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth

"Biblically, the mainstays of Nimrods Empire were Babel, Erech and Akkad (Agade), all of them in the land of Shinar. Shinar is (biblical ancient Sumer), Akkad was the capital of the later Akkadian empire, (that city is still to be located). Biblical Erech is Uruk, and Babel, as we have seen, originally referred to Eridu."

c.The Bible gives the origins of the ancient civilizations


Babylonian flood conspiracy: So many critics have actually argued that the jews learned of the babylonians Gilgamesh epic and inserted a similar story in the Bible.
This would mean that a conspiracy over half of Old Testament history had been conducted.  Was the Story of Noah's Ark implanted in the bible?
Isaiah 54:9
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me:
for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth;
so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed;
but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed,
saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee."

Traditional Bible History has Isaia writing and prophesying before the Babylonian captivity.  So this shoulod prove it.  But many skepticsgive the bible less than a fair amount of credbility.

However, we can establish archaeological credibility of the OT writers before the  babylonian captivity of the jews.
"Few modern Biblical archaeology discoveries have caused as much excitement as the Tel Dan inscription—writing on a ninth-century B.C. stone slab (or stela) that furnished the first historical evidence of King David from the Bible.
The Tel Dan inscription, or “House of David” inscription, was discovered in 1993 at the site of Tel Dan in northern Israel in an excavation directed by Israeli archaeologist Avraham Biran."http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/the-tel-dan-inscription-the-first-historical-evidence-of-the-king-david-bible-story/
David was the author of psalms and he wrote in the 10th century B.C.
Did David write of Moses and the history of exodus?

Psalm 105: Remember his marvellous works that he hath done;
his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
O ye seed of Abraham his servant,
ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the Lord our God:
his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham,
and his oath unto Isaac;
10 and confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11 saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan,
the lot of your inheritance:
12 when they were but a few men in number;
yea, very few, and strangers in it.
13 When they went from one nation to another,
from one kingdom to another people;
14 he suffered no man to do them wrong:
yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15 saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm.
16 Moreover he called for a famine upon the land:
he brake the whole staff of bread.
17 He sent a man before them,
even Joseph, who was sold for a servant:
18 whose feet they hurt with fetters:
he was laid in iron:
19 until the time that his word came:
the word of the Lord tried him.
20 The king sent and loosed him;
even the ruler of the people, and let him go free.
21 He made him lord of his house,
and ruler of all his substance:
22 to bind his princes at his pleasure;
and teach his senators wisdom.
23 Israel also came into Egypt;
and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
24 And he increased his people greatly;
and made them stronger than their enemies.
25 He turned their heart to hate his people,
to deal subtilly with his servants.
26 He sent Moses his servant;
and Aaron whom he had chosen.
27 They shewed his signs among them,
and wonders in the land of Ham.
28 He sent darkness, and made it dark;
and they rebelled not against his word.
29 He turned their waters into blood,
and slew their fish.
30 Their land brought forth frogs in abundance,
in the chambers of their kings.
31 He spake, and there came divers sorts of flies,
and lice in all their coasts.
32 He gave them hail for rain,
and flaming fire in their land.
33 He smote their vines also and their fig trees;
and brake the trees of their coasts.
34 He spake, and the locusts came,
and caterpillers, and that without number,
35 and did eat up all the herbs in their land,
and devoured the fruit of their ground.
36 He smote also all the firstborn in their land,
the chief of all their strength.
37 He brought them forth also with silver and gold:
and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.
38 Egypt was glad when they departed:
for the fear of them fell upon them.
39 He spread a cloud for a covering;
and fire to give light in the night.
40 The people asked, and he brought quails,
and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.
41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out;
they ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For he remembered his holy promise,
and Abraham his servant.
43 And he brought forth his people with joy,
and his chosen with gladness:
44 and gave them the lands of the heathen:
and they inherited the labour of the people;
45 that they might observe his statutes, and keep his laws."
   In this psalm david records the jewish history found in genesis and exodus. Thus moses is a historical Character and his books are historical.
The psalms have tons of testimony concerning the torah.
psalm 119: 50 They draw nigh that follow after mischief:
they are far from thy law.
151 Thou art near, O Lord;
and all thy commandments are truth.
152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old
that thou hast founded them for ever."
Moses exodus is connected to genesis as we see the connection between the law and creation.  Exodus 20: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."  
Typology of Moses
Exodus 2: And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river’s brink. And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him.
And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river’s side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews’ children. Then said his sister to Pharaoh’s daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? And Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child’s mother. And Pharaoh’s daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh’s daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water."

Moses birth has typology which leads back to Noah and the Ark The fact he was in an ark constructed with pitch and being in the water.  In fact Moses name is not a hebrew name but an Egyptian word for water. Thus he is a historic character. More importantly his narative is based in the assumption of the fact of the Noahic flood.

mesopatamians) Acts 7:Then said the high priest, Are these things so? And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,"


 "Below is from a stone tablet from a tomb (discovered in 1850) of a wealthy Yemenite woman who died during the Egyptian famine recorded in Genesis 41. This tablet confirms the biblical account of Joseph’s careful management of Egyptian food reserves during the 7 years of famine in Egypt. “In they name O God, the God of Hamyar,
I Tajah, the daughter of Dzu Shefar, sent my steward to
And he delaying to return to me, I sent my hand maid
With a measure of silver, to bring me back a measure of

And not being able to procure it, I sent her with a measure of gold:
And not being able to procure it, I sent her with a measure of pearls:
And not being able to procure it, I commanded them to be ground:
And finding no profit in them, I am shut up here.
Whosoever may hear of it, let him commiserate me;
And should any woman adorn herself with an ornament
From my ornaments, may she die with no other than my

Sinaitic Inscriptions in Wadee El-Mukattab, Sinai"

Archaeological digs agree with genesis

"Manetho, whose writings only survive as a partially preserved “garbled abridgement,”3 did not intend for his history to be a chronological account of Egyptian history. Like everyone else in the ancient world, Manetho measured time in regnal years (“in the fifth year of King So-and-So”). Eusebius, the fourth-century historian who quoted Manetho extensively, did not believe that Manetho intended for his regnal years to be added up consecutively. Eusebius says, “Several Egyptian kings ruled at the same time. . . . It was not a succession of kings occupying the throne one after the other, but several kings reigning at the same time in different regions.”4 Because Manetho’s history lists the reigns of kings who ruled simultaneously, historians should not add the years of the kings’ reigns together as if the kings ruled one after another.
Manetho’s history is also inconsistent with contemporary Egyptian sources. Professor J. H. Breasted, author of History of Egypt, calls Manetho’s history “a late, careless and uncritical compilation, which can be proven wrong from the contemporary monuments in the vast majority of cases, where such documents have survived.”5 Manetho’s interpretation of each variation in spelling as a different king creates numerous nonexistent generations. Because Manetho’s history contradicts actual Egyptian records from the time of the pharaohs, historians should not consider Manetho’s history authoritative."
3. A. Gardiner, Egypt of the Pharaohs (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1961), p. 46, quoted in D. Mackey’s thesis. Manetho is quoted by Josephus, Eusebius, Africanus, and Syncellus.
4.J. Ashton and D. Down, Unwrapping the Pharaohs (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 2006), p. 73.
5. D. Mackey, “Sothic Star Dating.”
 Problems with the Sothic cycle
"Meyer had to depend on later non-Egyptian writers to establish a starting point for his calculations, and those sources are contradictory. Censorinius, a third-century Roman writer, and Theon, a fourth-century Alexandrian astronomer, give different starting points. According to Censorinius, the Great Sothic Year occurred in A.D. 140, but according to Theon, it occurred in 26 B.C. Meyer subtracted multiples of 1,460 years from A.D. 140 and proposed 4240 B.C. as a totally certain date for the establishment of Egypt’s civil calendar.8"Mackey, “Fall of the Sothic Theory: Egyptian Chronology Revisited.” https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/doesnt-egyptian-chronology-prove-bible-unreliable/
   The Bible shows that the Egyptian history started after the tower of babel.  The Sphinx might have been built by a pre-flood civilization.   But generally the Egyptians are descendents of Mizraim.  so they would not have a history of the flood   Their list of kings are confused by issues of family claims, and property issues in which many kings reigned simultaneously.


History is interpretation of the past in the words of a historian. It is a scholarly study of what happened in the past without being judgmental or subjective. The main job of a historian is to record the information and facts based upon narratives of the past and recollect the entire sequence of events without getting biased. History starts from the time when writing was invented and people started to keep records of events occurring at that time. Events belonging to a period before history are termed as prehistory and include events and people that are beyond the scope of history as it cannot be verified. History includes authentic information about the past as and when it happened (and also why).


Archeology is a field of study that tries to unearth (literally) information about the past by digging up artifacts and analyzing them to recollect sequence of events of that time. In this sense it is close to history though archeological findings can never be as authentic as fact contained in history as they are based upon narratives written by the people from the past whereas there is no such evidence in support of archeological artifacts and archeologists often try to string together loose ends on the basis of their experience.

What is the difference between History and Archaeology?

Ancient civilizations that do not even find a mention in history are recollected with the help of artifacts and fossils that are dug up in any archeological survey. Archeology is a search whereas history is a recollection of the past on the basis of narratives written by people of the past. This is one big difference that separates history from archeology though both attempt to unravel the past for us. Archeology is also history in the sense that archeologists try to surmise about what must have happened in the past basing their conclusions upon artifacts they dig up. This is intelligent guesswork but history is all facts and information that is already there and just needs to be written in a new perspective and style." http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-history-and-vs-archaeology/

"Who is Shang Di? This name literally means ‘the Heavenly Ruler.’ By reviewing recitations used at the Border Sacrifice, recorded in the Statutes of the Ming Dynasty (AD 1368), one may begin to understand the ancient Chinese reverence for ShangDi. Participating in this rite, the emperor first meditated at the Altar of Heaven (the Imperial Vault), while costumed singers, accompanied by musicians, intoned:
To Thee, O mysteriously-working Maker, I look up in thought. … With the great ceremonies I reverently honor Thee. Thy servant, I am but a reed or willow; my heart is but that of an ant; yet have I received Thy favouring decree, appointing me to the government of the empire. I deeply cherish a sense of my ignorance and blindness, and am afraid, lest I prove unworthy of Thy great favours. Therefore will I observe all the rules and statutes, striving, insignificant as I am, to discharge my loyal duty. Far distant here, I look up to Thy heavenly palace. Come in Thy precious chariot to the altar. Thy servant, I bow my head to the earth reverently, expecting Thine abundant grace. … O that Thou wouldest vouchsafe to accept our offerings, and regard us, while thus we worship Thee, whose goodness is inexhaustible!2James Legge, The Notions of the Chinese Concerning God and Spirits, Hong Kong, Hong Kong Register Office, pp. 24–25, 1852.

"Shangdi (Chinese: 上帝; pinyin: Shàngdì; Wade–Giles: Shang Ti), also written simply as Di (Chinese: ; pinyin: ; Wade–Giles: Ti; "Deity", "Emperor"), is the Chinese term for "Supreme Deity" or "Highest Deity".
Along with Tian ("Heaven" or "Great Whole"), it is one of the terms used to refer to the absolute God of the universe in philosophy,[1] Confucianism,[2] the Chinese traditional religions and its various sects (such as Yiguandao) and Chinese Protestant Christianity, while its usage among contemporary and secular Chinese, Hong Kong, and Taiwanese societies typically imply a universal deity that is equivalent to the same usage as it is in Christianity.[3]"  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi
"China, one of the countries that can boast of an ancient civilization, has a long and mysterious history - almost 5,000 years of it! Like most other great civilizations of the world, China can trace her culture back to a blend of small original tribes which have expanded till they became the great country we have today."https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/history/
"The International Red Cross in its 1998 world disasters report says that year was the worst on record. Hurricane Mitchell struck in central America, drought in Indonesia, and floods affected 180 million in south China.
Earlier, in 1939 floods in north China from the Yellow River killed 100,000. Prior to that, in 1931 floods killed 3.7 million, and in Manchu dynasty times in 1887, a flood caused 900,000 deaths.
Ancient China must have had a long record of floods, since, like ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, its early civilisation was built near a river.
Consequently, the Chinese must have built boats quite early, and a form of the word must have been written down since early times.
The modern Chinese word for boat or ship ( chuan) is a curious one. It escaped the 1956 character simplification reform in China, but today it is found in two forms.
In both the forms, there is a sailing vessel  (zhou) as a radical, and also a character for "mouth"  (kou) and finally, one with a component for either "several" (ji)  or  "eight" (ba) . But which is the correct one?
Assuming that the correct form is that for "several" the word "ship" looks similar to words like the metal lead  (qian) , and the word for alongside  (yan). However, the pronunciations for all these are rather different, which is very surprising.
Certainly "ship" is not a newly created word. The Japanese know of this word, since around 400AD, Chinese books were first brought into Japan from Korea. They call it fune, and it appears similar to the word for navigate.
According to Japanese teachers of Chinese at the University of Tokyo, the word for navigate (hang) derives from a vessel, and on the right, a pictograph of a man with a raised neck - looking around so as to navigate properly. Did that pictograph of a man's neck become the number eight?
Whether the word for boat derived from navigate or vice versa, (it is more logical to build a boat first, then navigate it) it is clear that in the case of boat, the two components at the right hand side are eight and mouth.
Today there are major dictionaries such as The Chinese-English Dictionary by the Beijing Foreign Languages Institute (1979), Chinese Bibles, and some computer word processing programs such as Chinese Star 2.97 which use the component "several".
However, Cihai, published in Taiwan as late as 1988, and Matthews' Chinese-English Dictionary of 1931 still show the number 8. In fact, an ancient form of the word boat shows it to be eight mouths.
The question is, why should there be eight mouths and not seven, or six or any other number. Obviously they refer to eight people, but which eight?
One possible explanation is that the word derives from an otherwise forgotten Chinese memory of a great worldwide flood in ancient times that is better known to the west as the Great Flood of Noah's day as recorded in the Jewish peoples' Hebrew Old Testament book of Genesis.
According to that account, there were only eight people saved in Noah's day (Gen 7:13): Noah, his three sons Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's wife and the three sons' wives.
It was not a nationalistic epic, since the Hebrew account places the survivors as landing on - not on Mt Hermon, the highest mountain in Israel today -  but the mountains of Ararat which is presently at the Turkish-Armenian border, far away from Israel.
Moreover, the later New Testament books of 1 Peter 3:8 and 2 Peter 2:5 repeat the number eight who were saved.
In fact, over many parts of the world, there were other ancient peoples who had similar stories. Similar stories come from southern Asia, the South Sea islands, and all parts of the continent of America - but they are very rare in Africa (Ancient Egypt had a flood story) and Europe.
The Greeks had several versions of a myth in which a king Deucalion and his wife Prrrha escaped from a great flood by floating in a chest that finally landed on a mountain. They took refuge on Mt Parnassus (in central Greece not far from Delphi) and, at Zeus' command, cast  stones which became a new race of human beings.
An Indian myth from the 6th century BC tells how the hero Manu was advised by a fish to build a ship as a means of escape from the coming flood. When it came, the fish towed the ship to a mountain top.
Excavation at Ur in Iraq by Sir Leonard Wooley in 1929 may have confirmed the ancient belief of many nations when he discovered a layer of clay 3m deep which was apparently deposited by a great ancient flood.
It seemed to echo the story of a great worldwide flood as recorded in a Babylonian clay tablet, the Epic of Gilgamesh, written over 2,500 years ago. According to that epic the hero and sole survivor Utnapishtim landed on Mount Nisir (in Kurdistan, upper Iraq).
Today a surviving Chinese legend of an extensive ancient flood vaguely revolves around the person of a goddess Nukua who supposedly ended the flood by patching up the blue sky with five-coloured stones; the details are very different from the Hebrew version.
Only the character "boat" and its eight passengers seems to remain as a constant reminder of what had happened long, long ago.


 genesis 10:
15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 16 and the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 and the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 

 Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far:
and, lo, these from the north and from the west;
and these from the land of Sinim.

Archaeologists uncovered and dated the bones of children found in the Yellow River Valley. The children are believed to have been trapped by a massive flood around 2000 B.C., around the time many Christians believe the biblical story of Noah and the Flood took place.
According to Chinese legend, a great flood deluged settlements, spilled over hills and mountains and even reached the heavens. It’s said that King Yu made the waters recede by constructing large ditches, and he founded China’s first dynasty, the Xia. However, no evidence of Yu or the Xia Dynasty has been uncovered.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/scientists-find-evidence-of-catastrophic-flood-of-4000-years-ago/#pMGk7lFx7y9rXEWR.99

"The Inca civilization arose from the highlands of Peru sometime in the early 13th century. Its last stronghold was conquered by the Spanish in 1572."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire
 "A Great Flood
Just as many other cultures, the Inca's spoke of one myth that included a great flood.
As the legend goes, a great flood came about and whisked away all of the unruly people in the land.
The flood myths are full of stories about how the Inca people were greedy and and how they didn't pay proper homage to the Gods. It was decided that the only people who didn't prove evil were the ones in the highest highlands of the Andes Mountains.
As the story goes, two shepherds realized how sad their llamas were. The llamas told their owners there was a flood coming. The two shepherds gathered their families and their herds and headed to the highlands.
Rain fell for two straight months until all of the land below was flooded. The Sun God appeared and his smile dried the waters. The families came down from the Highlands and repopulated the earth.
This myth continues on, saying that the llamas always remember the floods and therefore only live in the Highlands.

 Norte Chico civilization
"Norte Chico has pushed back the horizon for complex societies in the Peruvian region by more than one thousand years. The Chavín culture, circa 900 BC, had long been considered the first civilization of the area. It is still regularly cited as such in general works.[11][12]
The discovery of Norte Chico has also shifted the focus of research away from the highland areas of the Andes and lowlands adjacent to the mountains (where the Chavín, and later Inca, had their major centers) to the Peruvian littoral, or coastal regions. Norte Chico is located in a north-central area of the coast, approximately 150 to 200 km north of Lima, roughly bounded by the Lurín Valley on the south and the Casma Valley on the north. It comprises four coastal valleys: the Huaura, Supe, Pativilca, and Fortaleza; known sites are concentrated in the latter three, which share a common coastal plain. The three principal valleys cover only 1,800 km², and research has emphasized the density of the population centers.[13]
The Peruvian littoral appears an "improbable, even aberrant" candidate for the "pristine" development of civilization, compared to other world centers.[2] It is extremely arid, bounded by two rain shadows (caused by the Andes to the east, and the Pacific trade winds to the west). The region is punctuated by more than 50 rivers that carry Andean snowmelt. The development of widespread irrigation from these water sources is seen as decisive in the emergence of Norte Chico;[14][4] since all of the monumental architecture at various sites has been found close to irrigation channels.
The radiocarbon work of Jonathan Haas et al., found that 10 of 95 samples taken in the Pativilca and Fortaleza areas dated from before 3500 BC; the oldest, dating from 9210 BC, provides "limited indication" of human settlement during the Pre-Columbian Early Archaic era. Two dates of 3700 BC are associated with communal architecture, but are likely to be anomalous. It is from 3200 BC onward that large-scale human settlement and communal construction are clearly apparent.[3] Mann, in a survey of the literature in 2005, suggests "sometime before 3200 BC, and possibly before 3500 BC" as the beginning date of the Norte Chico formative period. He notes that the earliest date securely associated with a city is 3500 BC, at Huaricanga, in the Fortaleza area of the north, based on Haas' dates.[2]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte_Chico_civilization
          When we read between the lines,   These high ages are not the result of historical testimony.  As the nearest civilization is supposedly 1000 years later.  Instead, they are based upon the theory of carbon dating.   But Carbon dating has been discovered to be unreliable in the arena of deep time.
" In the light of what is known about the radiocarbon method and the way it is used, it is truly astonishing that many authors will cite agreeable determinations as "proof" for their beliefs...
Radiocarbon dating has somehow avoided collapse onto its own battered foundation, and now lurches onward with feigned consistency. The implications of pervasive contamination and ancient variations in carbon-14 levels are steadfastly ignored by those who base their argument upon the dates.
...[Some authors have said] they were "not aware of a single significant disagreement" on any sample that had been dated at different labs. Such enthusiasts continue to claim, incredible though it may seem, that "no gross discrepancies are apparent". Surely 15,000 years of difference on a single block of soil is indeed a gross discrepancy! And how could the excessive disagreement between the labs be called insignificant, when it has been the basis for the reappraisal of the standard error associated with each and every date in existence?
Why do geologists and archaeologists still spend their scarce money on costly radiocarbon determinations? They do so because occasional dates appear to be useful. While the method cannot be counted on to give good, unequivocal results, the numbers do impress people, and save them the trouble of thinking excessively. Expressed in what look like precise calendar years, figures seem somehow better--both to the layman and professional not versed in statistics--than complex stratigraphic or cultural correlations, and are more easily retained in one's memory. "Absolute" dates determined by a laboratory carry a lot of weight, and are extremely useful in bolstering weak arguments...
No matter how "useful" it is though, the radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates. This whole blessed thing is nothing but 13th century alchemy, and it all depends upon which funny paper you read.
Robert E. Lee, Radiocarbon: Ages in Error. Anthropological Journal of Canada, vol. 19 (3), 1981, pp. 9-29"

Unlike the pagan alternatives the Biblical flood has scientific evidence.
 "However, the Bible is clear on one thing: Noah got specific instructions for the ark’s dimensions (300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high) and material (“gopher wood”). Gopher wood may refer to pine, cedar, or cypress wood.
So, if one could hypothetically build an ark to the specifications outlined in the Bible, and actually cram two of every species on the boat, would it float or would Noah have found himself in a Titanic-like scenario? That’s what four physics graduate students at the University of Leicester wondered. As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float. They recently published their research in a peer-reviewed, student-run publication, the Journal of Physics Special Topics.

You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work,” said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement."
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" The Flood and genetics
Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound.

Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound. About 10 generations after Creation, a severe, short bottleneck occurred in the human population. From untold numbers of people, the entire world population was reduced to eight souls with only three reproducing couples.

So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood.Gen 7:7

Now the sons of Noah who went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth… These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.Gen 9:18–19
We can draw many important deductions from these statements. For instance, based on Genesis 7 and 9, how many Y chromosomes were on the Ark? The answer: one. Yes, there were four men, but Noah gave his Y chromosome to each of his sons. Unless there was a mutation (entirely possible), each of the sons carried the exact same Y chromosome. We do not know how much mutation occurred prior to the flood. With the long life spans of the antediluvian patriarchs, it may be reasonable to assume little mutation had taken place, but all of Creation, including the human genome, had been cursed, so it may not be wise to conclude that there was no mutation prior to the Flood. The amount of mutation may be a moot point, however, for, if it occurred, the Flood should have wiped out most traces of it (all of it in the case of the Y chromosome).
How many mitochondrial DNA lineages were on the Ark? The answer: three. Yes, there were four women, but the Bible does not record Noah’s wife as having any children after the Flood (in this case, girl children). And notice the claim in Gen 9:19, “These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.” This is a strong indication that Noah’s wife did not contribute anything else to the world’s population. With no prohibition against sibling marriage, yet,4 one or more of the daughters-in-law may have been her daughter, but this does not change the fact that, at first glance, we expect a maximum of three mitochondrial lineages in the current world population. There is a chance that there will be less, if there was very little mutation before the Flood or if several of the daughters-in-law were closely related. At most, we do not expect more than four."http://creation.com/noah-and-genetics

for more evidence of the flood and other evidence for creation go to...
here are some specific studies with the flood