Monday, April 3, 2017

A new look at an Old Word.:The Textual Issues

Earliest text best?
              Not necessarily
 "All agree that one cannot simply take the older manuscripts and trust them, for they may conceivably be very poor copies, while later manuscripts may be good copies of excellent parents that are now lost.  For example, a tenth century miniscule may conceivably be a good copy of an excellent fourth century uncial, and therefore prove quite superior to a fifth century uncial."
The king James Version Bible debate pg. 18 D.A.Carson

Damage to the originals and early copies
 "First the text of the Bible was transmitted in the context of history.  The rise and fall of the Roman Empire, for example, is an important aspect of the transmission of the text of the Bible to our day.  So, too, is the rise of Islam and the protracted conflict between Muslim and Christian forces around the ancient city of Constantinople.  These things had a great influence upon Christians and, necessarily, upon the manuscript in their possession.  This might seem rather elementary and not worthy of noting, but scholars have put forth entire theories about the text of the Bible that seemed to be utterly oblivious of the simple facts of history and how they impacted the entire process."
James White The king James Only Controversy pg. 41-42

Lucian Recension?


Basis A. Late date
"Before the middle of the third century, at the very earliest, we have no historical signs of the existence of readings , conflate or other, that are marked as distinctly Syrian by the want of attestation from groups of documents which have preserved the other ancient forms of text.  This is a fact of great significance, ascertained as it is exclusively by external evidence, and therefore supplying an absolutely independent verification and extension of the result already obtained by comparison of the internal character of readings as classified by inflation."
 F.J.A. Hort Introduction pg 115-119 (gathered from The Byzantine text type and New Testament textual criticism by Harry A. Sturz)

B. conflated text
""...we are led to conclude that the hypothesis provisionally allowed [i.e., that where the Syrian text differs from all other extant ancient texts, its authors may have copied some other equally ancient and perhaps purer text now other wise lost] must now be definitely rejected, and to regard the Syrian text as not only partly bt wholly derived from other known ancient texts.  It follows that all distinctively Syrian readings may be set aside at once as certainly originating after the middle of the third century, and therefore, as far as transmission is concerned, corruptions of the apostolic text."
FJA Hort introduction pg. 116
               rebuttal:
How can you prove a conflation?
                 Answer: By the manuscripts alone
   "We are told nothing as to the amount of revision which he undertook in either Old or New Testament text, the nature of the manuscripts which he consulted, the relation of his work to the hexapla and other similar matters.  We must turn tot he manuscripts which have been thought to contain the Lucian Recension"
Bruce Metzger
Where is the history?
"The silence is inexplicable: it is not what one would expect.  It seems logical  that there should be as great or greater reaction to the replacement of a whole Greek New Testament (The original language) than there was to Jerome's revision of the Old Latin (a translation).
The Byzantine text type and New Testament textual criticism by Harry A. Sturz

"I am not here arguing for or against a theory that sees the genesis of the Byzantine text as a systematic conflation of other texts, even though some conflation certainly occurred"
The king James Version Bible debate pg. 51 D.A.Carson

"Most believe the Byzantine represents a later period in which readings from other text-types were put together ('conflated') into the reading in the byzantine text This is not to say the Byzantine does not contain some distinctive readings that are quite ancient, but that the readings that are unique to that text type are generally secondary or later readings.  Since the byzantine comes from a later period(the earliest texts are almost all Alexandrian in nature, not Byzantine), it is 'fuller' in the sense that it not only contains conflations of the other text types, but it gives evidence of whay might be called 'the expansion of piety'.  That is, additions have been made to the text that flow from a desire to protect and reverence divine truth's"
James White The king James Only Controversy pg.43

"A text type is either recensional or not recensional.  By "recensional"  I mean that a text has come into being by conscious revision, editing, or conflation or by change over a period of time as part of a directed developing process.  If this does not explain the genesis of a particular text, then that text is simply the copy of a copy; it is not recensional at all."
The king James Version Bible debate pg. 53 D.A.Carson

 So why is there a minority of early byzantine manuscripts?
"The first Edicts calling for the persecution of Christians came in March 303.  Diocletian ordered  the cessation of the meetings of the Christians, the destruction of the churches, the deposition of the officers of the church, the imprisonment of those  who persisted in their testimony to Christ,  and the destruction of  the scriptures by fire." 
Persecution Christianity through the centuries Earl E. Cairns pg. 92

"All this was fulfilled in our day when we saw with our own eyes our houses of worship thrown down from their elevation, the sacred scriptures of inspiration committed in the flames in the midst of the markets, the shepherds of the people basely concealed here and there, some of them ignominiously captured and the sport of their enemies; when,also, according to another  prophetic declaration, "contempt was poured out upon their rulers, and he made them to err in atrackless by-path, and where there is no road." (ps.107:40)"Eusibius' Ecclesiastical history book 8 chapter 2 translated by C.F. Cruse


"It was in the nineteenth year of the reign of diocletian and the month of dystrus, called by the Romans March, in which the festival of our Savior's passion was at hand, when the imperial Edicts where everywhere published to tear down the churches tot heir foundations and to destroy the sacred scriptures by fire.Eusibius' Ecclesiastical history book 8 chapter 2 translated by C.F. Cruse


 Moslem take-over

"Both the eastern and the Western sections of the church were weakened by losses of people and territory to Islam, but the losses of the eastern churches were greater than those of the west.  The strong North African Church disappeared and Egypt and the Holy Land were lost.  The eastern Churches were able to do little more than hold back the muslim hordes from sweeping past Constantinople."  Christianity through the centuries Earl E. Cairns pg.169-171

"The lack of old Byzantine church buildings concerned me. At one time the city had been a lively Christian community.  Of course, there are explanations, as I realized when I took time to think about it.  The Arab conquest beginning in the seventh century, completed by the eighth, and reknewed in the ninth had a catastrophic effect upon this community, as well as throughout the mediterranean and middle east area.  Christianity here was already riddled and weakened by theological quarrels and disunity among churches and their leaders.  Then came an uneasy truce between Christianity ad islam, which could be shattered by a whim of a sultan and often was.
     The devastation and total destruction of Christian church buildings in Asia minor was complete when Seljuk Turks became masters of the whole Middle East in the eleventh century.  On their way to  capture Jerusalem in 1087, while their capital was konya, they destroyed all churches in Asia Minor in their way except the underground, hard to read Byzantine churches and chapels at Cappadocia that managed to outlive the seljuk sacking.  It was this intolerant Turkish offensive that was to provoke the First crusade and send the crusaders off from Europe through Asia Minor to rescue Palestine and Jerusalem, then closed to Christian Pilgrimage.  So it is that no old church buildings survive in Konya today."
Traveling through turkey: An excursion into history and religion Harriet-Louise H. Patterson pg 157-158

 Heretics Eusibius' Ecclesiastical history book 8 chapter 28 translated by C.F. Cruse Age burning Frederick Kenyan Our Bible and Ancient manuscripts Later manuscripts may have had access to the original(or near to the originals) Traditional text of the Holy Gospels pg 46-47 Wilbur Pickering The identity of the New Testament text phg 130, 131 How closely related are they? The king James Version Bible debate pg. 109 D.A.Carson Regions ''Come now who would indulge a better curiosity, if you would apply it to the business of salvation, run over the apostolic churches. In which the very thrones of the apostles are still pre- eminent in their places. in which their own authentic writings are read. uttering the voice and representing the face of each severally. Achaia is very near you, [in which] you find Corinth. Since you are not far from Macedonia, you have Phillipi: (and there too) you have the Thessalonians. Since you are able to cross to Asia. Ephesus. Since. more over. you are close}' upon Italy you have Rome, from which there comes even into our own hands the very authority (of the Apostles themselves). How happy is it's church, on which the apostles poured forth their blood!" Tertullian On Persecution against heretics 208AD What is significant about this statement is that the location of the original manuscripts is centered around the area of the byzantine text family and was preserved at least up to 200AD. Could it not be conceivable that copies of the originals being made by local Asians have exact copies that would last until the next century when we had the first preserved major Byzantine manuscripts?" Majority text F.J.A.Hort David H. Sorenson Touch not the unclean thing** Unity vs disunity of the text Paul D. Wegner The Journey from the Texts to the Translations Western text D. A. Carson The King James Bible Debate pg. 26-27 Caesarian text D. A. Carson The King James Bible Debate pg.27 Ancient translations Peshitta pg. 26, 30 The Bible in Translation Bruce Metzger Preface to the Holy Bible from Ancient manuscripts[Peshitta} George M. Lamsa Itala pg. 30 The Bible in Translation Bruce Metzger Gothic pg. 39 The Bible in Translation Bruce Metzger Armenian pg. 41-42 The Bible in Translation Bruce Metzger Vulgate pg. 43-44 The Bible in Translation Bruce Metzger Ethiopian Paul D. Wegner The Journey from the texts to the translations Which majority? Textual examples Matthew 6:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 1 Chronicles 29:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 11 Thine, O Lord, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all. Mark 9:43-48Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 16:9-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. 10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. 12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. 13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. 14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:1-8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. 7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. 8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid. Mark 16:9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Jay P. Green ultra literal translation Mark 16:10-14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. 12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. 13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. 14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. Edward Hills The King James Bible Version defended ch. 6 e. Mark 16:15-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. NIV Study Bible Irenaeus against heresies chapter 6 A concise History of the Catholic Church by Thomas Bokenkotter pg 34 What is significant about this statement is that the location of the original manuscripts is centered around the area of the byzantine text family and was preserved at least up to 200AD. Could it not be conceivable that copies of the originals being made by local Asians have exact copies that would last until the next century when we had the first preserved major Byzantine manuscripts?" John 1:18Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 53 And every man went unto his own house. 8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 1 Timothy 3:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. James White The King James Bible Controversy pg. 207 1 john 5:7 Final Authority William P. Grady pg 123(referring to R.W. Thompsons Life of Jesuits) Dr. Thomas Holland Crowned with Glory 2000 Dr. Thomas Holland Crowned with Glory Dr. Thomas Holland Crowned with Glory H.J. de Jonge... Michael Maynard (Maynard, A history of the debate Over 1 John5:7-8 p. 383 Comma Publications Tempe Arizona 1995.) John Gill, An Exposition of the New Testament Fifth Orientation of the Holy Spirit Gregory Naziansus

Total deletions 2886 words, this is slightly more words than 1&2 Peter combined. (Gathered from Catherine Carmichael for Pastor Jack Moormon "Modern Bible VErsions the dark secret") 7% of the New Testament has word alterations between the two texts. Also Modern Versions have disagreements with roughly 5% of the OT! So how much f the Bible do you believe?

Thursday, March 30, 2017

You can't take the power out of the blood! response to a fake christian baptist minister.


 responding to the article

"It’s time to end the hands-off attitude to substitionary atonement"

https://baptistnews.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-hands-off-attitude-to-substitionary-atonement/#.WNwmFKK1tNB

Chuck Queen

Chuck Queen is pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Frankfort, Ky., and author of several books, including “Being a Progressive Christian (is not) for Dummies (nor for know-it-alls): An Evolution of Faith.” Chuck blogs at A Fresh Perspective and is a regular contributor to the Unfundamentalist Christians blog.

You know, if you were to impersonate a police officer you would get thrown in jail. But if you impersonate a pastor, then you get published!!

This man has absolutely no right to claim to be Christian. He has a right to call himself a platonist, he has the right to call himself a gnostic, perhaps a new ager or a liberal but nothing here should be confused with Christianity, because that would be libel.

You see the platonists make a district distinction between the physical world and the spiritual world. The spiritual world is good and the physical world is bad. So the God of the old testament is bad because he created the physical world.
The Bible teaches that God created the world good however and that there are spirits like satan who are very evil.

The Platonist/gnostics take their worldview and apply it to scripture. The Bible is the Word of God. Traditionally We believe the words that we physically see are from God. But since we physically see them the platonist believes that they are not the true words of God. There is a spiritual message but it is behind the words and not the words themselves.
So the true message is hidden in the Bible and not the words of the scripture themselves.

So shame on us for believing what the Bible actually teaches!
Jesus saw God as Father!
Yes, Just like Father Abraham who would have to sacrifice His Son.
Of Course God let him off the hook, because Jehovah himsef would provide the sacrifice.

Platonists look Down on the God of the Bible having emotions like wrath. But if we take away God's emotions we take away His love as well.


"Substitutionary atonement imagines a self-giving Son who gives his life in order to pay off/placate/satisfy/appease a harsh, vindictive Father. Even when God’s union with Jesus is emphasized through Trinitarian configurations, the problem is not alleviated. No matter how positively nuanced the exposition, the result is still that God must save us from God."
  Here we see the straw-man of the father being vindictive and harsh.  This is because they deny Creation. understanding the creationisn genesis one aleviates many of the imagined paradoxes from the queen.
A, Because God is sovereign and has ownership of creation.
B. Because God is good and created the earth God.
C. Because God allowed creature-ly freedom of His creation
D. Because God allowed Adam and Even to understand that rebellion was not desireable.
E, Because the Serpent acted in temptation and Adam and Eve had authority over Him.

F.Because God endowed mankind with advanced lives for over a thousand years.
G.  Because God showed mercy to mankind through Noah and His family
H. Because God established a covenant with Abraham for a relationship with mankind and later with Moses to educate mankind about righteousness.

In terms of the Trinity.  The deified nature of Christ did not die.
Psalm 16:
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell;
neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
   Christ sacrifice was His physical life.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 and looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"
It was His blood that atoned for sin and finished the sacrifice.
John 19:
28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. 29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
Romans 3:
25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

" Proponents of substitutionary atonement explain that God’s holiness or justice demanded a substitute. Why? If God is sovereign, as advocates of substitutionary atonement contend, then God is the source of all justice. God is not subject to some sort of cosmic principle of justice outside of God’s own nature. If God chooses to simply forgive sin the way a loving parent would forgive sin, without requiring some sort of pay off or sacrifice, there is no one to tell God that God is violating the demands of justice. God sets the standards of justice."
luke 4:And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
Satan follows the queens Method. and yet Christ protest serving another as god.


This brings us back to God's law.
deuteronomy 5: I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, 10 and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."
This is not simply a question seeking answers but a question seeking God's Sovereignty.
 John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
It is not the fault of God or Christ, it is man's love of evil instead of God.


 Substitutionary atonement reflects more of an ancient, primitive view of God than the view taught and embodied by Jesus of Nazareth. In the ancient world, sacrifice was demanded to placate the offended deity; to stay the deity’s wrathful vengeance. Jesus imagined God as Abba — a loving, compassionate parent — seeking the best for God’s children. The God of Jesus would have no need to save us from God’s self.
Really???
matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."
Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Matthew 26:
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. 43 And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. 44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.




The god of the gnostics is a god of confusion, a dishonest god who misleads those who follow him. 2 corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
The gnostics of the New Testament are the new agers and christian theological liberals of today.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

But why would a loving God have a place called Hell? And why would he do violence to himself in the process of salvation?
Romans 3: 10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 and the way of peace have they not known: 18 there is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."
john 3: 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

Monday, March 27, 2017

Breakdown of the failed biblesmack-southern Israelite debate over the canon of scripture and the deity of Christ.


Matthew Singleton1 month ago Drake has left the authority of scripture. ( at least last time I check, his theology has changed many times) He questions the canon. He thinks that the book of Jasher and at least some of the apocrypha should be added, while the bookof james should be detracted and that there is a mysterious Hebrew New Testament which no one I know of exists. Therefore he can't logically hold to innerrancy as he is unsure what is innerrant. 


Southern Israelite Southern Israelite6 days ago Then debate me Matt. Let's do a google hangout debate and you can correct me. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite6 days ago How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago Sure. I don't know much about how to do google hangout so I will need assistance there. It is your domain so you can set up the rules. of course let's be honest, you have no intention of seeking correction. But why let that stop us? 




Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago How about Monday in the morning? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago We are all sure that some books are errant. But the bible has to be without error if is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible. Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago mslv4gd@yahoo.com 


Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago "So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible."
>>>You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. I'm not correcting the Bible. I'm rejecting books that do not belong in the Bible. The New Testament takes the Law and the Prophets as being a matrix standard. James is taking us back to the Sinai covenant which Jeremiah precludes. Thus James is out. Jude and 2 Peter talk about an underground chamber where angels are chained up and partaking of divine nature. The Law and the Prophets know nothing of this. These are parameters completely missing from the Law and the Prophets. The rest is good. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago You need a gmail account to get on google hangouts. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago So are you committing to Monday or no? 

Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago ok

 Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago So because you have a doctrinal problem with Jude and second peter you assume you are more authoritative than them.... Where does the book of james say "Sinai covenant"? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago "How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant?" "But the bible has to be without error if it is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible." 

"You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. " No, you simply failed to receive the answer. 

Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago I have to check with work tomorrow concerning my schedule however. let me get a hold of you tomarrow to confirm.

Southern Israelite5 days ago Yes, and I am more authoritative than the Catholic Church that defined these book as Canonical which said authority you have accepted. I am more authoritative than the Catholic Church based on the books and articles I have written that refutes this Church. That is the Protestant doctrine of private judgment which you have rejected and remain disobedient to your Catholic masters. The Catholic church then has every right to Inquisition you. "Where does the book of james say "Sinai covenant"?" >>>It says the definition of that covenant: James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. You cannot accept this passage and Paul the apostle. It is one or the other. And I say that because I am 37 years old having over 30 years of experience speaking English and the English statement "by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" means the exact opposite than "16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Gal. 2:16
Southern Israelite5 days ago ""How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant?" "But the bible has to be without error if it is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible." 

"You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. " 

No, you simply failed to receive the answer." >>>You didn't answer the question Matt. See if you are going to ignore what I'm saying then this is a waste of time. 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago The catholic church does not matter this book was recognized by the montanists and several churches prior to Constantine. More importantly they were preserved by God even though the Catholics burned multitude of copies. Just because you are having trouble with it with your cultic theology. Does not mean that it is a problem for real disciples of the word. the subject of james is not salvation. It is religion. james 1: 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." Paul's revelation was later regarding salvation and his revelation unique. Ephesians 3: 3 how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" galatians is referring to justification before God.... "19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." "But james in talking religion is focused on justifying our faith as genuine before Man. james 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. " See this is a flashback from all that reformed refer you been smokin. you couldn't figure out that because James was before Paul that perhaps he was not commenting on Paul. You probably only use the word justification with it's salvific application. is that the subject here in luke? Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. " You see if you understood dispensationalism maybe then you would rightly divide the word of God and be able to believe it. 

Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago "The catholic church does not matter this book was recognized by the montanists and several churches prior to Constantine." >>>Yes it does. The Catholic Church defined what you believe to be the canon. And that is just a fact. "More importantly they were preserved by God even though the Catholics burned multitude of copies." >>>The Koran survives until today. The Talmud has been preserved until today. So what? "Just because you are having trouble with it with your cultic theology." >>No I refuted these books. And I already gave you the arguments which you cannot answer and so you're trying manipulation. "Does not mean that it is a problem for real disciples of the word. the subject of james is not salvation. It is religion." >>>Justification is not salvation? You are a complete liar Matt. You're lying and you know it. Walk in front of traffic now. Your life is a disease on this earth. I cite again: James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is JUSTIFIED, and not by faith only. You are a piece of $@# Matt. Your life is a waste of oxygen. You are liar. You know you are a liar. And I know you are a liar, more than that you know I know you are a liar. You just cannot face the life consequences that will come upon you for following me to the truth. My path is a dark and rugged one that only few people can follow and you clearly aren't cut out for it. So keep living those lies Matt and I'll be praying imprecations of your lying %#$.

Matthew Singleton5 days ago
Ahh I see why you reject the book of James LOL!!!
anyway I am sure you will probably reject more books like Matthew.
Matthew 25: 41 Then
shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: "

Romans 3: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 and the way of peace have they not known: 18 there is no fear of God before their eyes. "

1 corinthians 5:11 But
now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is
called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a
railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to
eat. " nottice the term railer. that is what you are doing.

Anyways I am not going to fight you.

you invited me to a debate, if you are a man of your word then we will focus on that and accomplish the task.
Southern Israelite
Southern Israelite4 days ago
"Ahh I see why you reject the book of James LOL!!!
anyway I am sure you will probably reject more books like Matthew.
Matthew 25: 41 Then
shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ""

>>>Not replies to anything I said.

"1 corinthians 5:11 But
now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is
called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a
railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to
eat. " nottice the term railer. that is what you are doing."

>>>I am none of those things. You can;t answer my arguments so you're trying to browbeat me.

"you invited me to a debate, if you are a man of your word then we will focus on that and accomplish the task."

>>>Yep.

 
Matthew Singleton
Matthew Singleton4 days ago
"Actually it is a reply to your justification proposition on removing 2 Peter and Jude as canon because they teach of an underworld holding place for demons. Obviously the gospel of Matthew teaches this as well. So your slippery slope will continue as you have chained your self to the authority of textual criticism.

"I am none of those things. You can;t answer my arguments so you're trying to browbeat me. "
Actually you are guilty of railing. By your Cussing and using foul language to demonize me as inhumane because I gave an argument that you had yet to refute. Also in an earlier video which I refuted, you bragged about drinking vodka on the sabbath. Vodka being 99% proof is not drinking in moderation but drunkiness.
As far as "browbeating". The lord loves those he chastens. 🙂

UPDATE: i HAVE GOTTEN OFF WORK IN ORDER TO BE READY FOR THE DEBATE MONDAY..

Drake Email me your rules and instructions for getting on Google plus and that should be enough.
                                                         NOW THE CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK...
Matt
I forgot you had the page. We can discuss the terms of the debate here if you are more comfortable that way.
Since you are working the Google hangout, you may take the lead in determining the rules and timing.

my position on the trinity is that of a New Testament Christian simple trinity.
I do not hold fidelity to the catholic creeds. I hold to the authority of the scriptures, perfectly preserved in the hebrew Masoretic text and the Textus Receptus. And complete and excellently translated in the Authorized Version.
you may look up my articles and confession yourself or request any articles if needed.

we did a fine job producing our debate years ago and I hope we can moave forward in this encounter.
Thu 4:43am
So what time on Monday?
 

 southern israelite:
I mean it looks like we are going to have to start from the logical beginning with scripture and canon issues and then we can move to the doctrine of God.
Thu 8:44am


Matt Singleton
I agree. I guess 10Am sounds like a good time.
Alright I'll schedule it.
good.
So what is google hangout like?
Thu 1:52pm



Southern Israelite

I will need a gmail address from you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ge9t5U847c&t=39s
Instruction Video For Coming Round-Table on Saturdays
Sabbath Round-table Instructions: 1. Make Sure you have a strong internet signal as well as a good headset with microphone and headphones. Go into your "play...
youtube.com
Thu 2:56pm
 

Matt Singleton
mslv4gd@yahoo.com
apparently that is how I get into my google account.
Fri 12:39am






Southern Israelite
What game are you playing matt? I'm going to ask one more time. I need a gmail account in order to get you on this hangout so you either give me one or the event is canceled.
Fri 3:56am
 

Matt Singleton
biblesmackradio@gmail.com
I apologize drake this just unfamiliar territory
 

Ok then
Sun 10:11pm
 


Matt Singleton
alright. I just purchased a headset.

how long is the debate to last?
will it go onto youtube? Would you like me to advertise it?






Southern Israelite
However long we go

Yes on youtube
Do what you like
 

Matt Singleton
ok.
8:55am
 

how is it going?
I am still focused n the debate this morning. But someone stole my wheel in the drivers side rear of my car
 



I just want some confirmation, is everything prepared on your end?
 


 Siuthern Israelite
Yes







Matt  Singleton
ok. a little nervous trying a new format. hoping everything works



Southern Israelite
You totally wasted my morning matt dont expect another hearing from me goodbye


Matt Singleton
basically ####### intended to give me the gmail account. However he put his phone number in it.
I apologize. I understand your frustration. But I actually had to give a lot of my time to this and I had to spend money buying equipment for it. I think the situation can be remedied though.

ok, So I have a new gmail account. ##########@gmail.com

I know emotions run high. So I will give you 24hrs to figure out if you still want to debate me at a later time.




I posted my side of the debate on youtube 2 days later.

I notticed some peculiarities  with this dialogue.

What is really motivating Drakes rejection?  I admit there were problems on my end which confessed to before we even scheduled the event. However....

1.Drake challenged me to a debate. probably avenging the fact that he he backed out on his debate against Eric Jon Phelps.

2.  He is quick to want to come up with an excuse to back out as seen by his tempermental reactions.

3. at the end of his instructional video he promises to post the next scheduled event on his blog.  Well he never did that and he had all weekend.

4. The morning of it took him 2 hrs to respond to me. I was starting to assume that he was going to back out.

5.  I explained the problem an my end and provided a solution, He did not respond.

6.   he agreed to do the canon debate even though he backed out on EJP for that very reason.


7.  He in fact never responded even though he was the challenger.


The Southern Israelite is not serious as he claims about these things but is being strategics.  Much like a recent video where he ambushed an elderly country preacher in a gotcha video moment much like the scene from the movie "God's not dead"

He is only fighting fights that put training wheels on his bicycle.


If He wants to debate me or anyone serious he could. But he won't

he says " My path is a dark and rugged one that only few people can follow"
But scripture says.... 1 thess. 5:
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Sunday, March 5, 2017

Could Jesus have sinned?

In systematic theology, there is a longstanding debate.  That debate is called "peccability vs. impeccability".  In  fundamental/orthodox/bible Christianity it is agreed that Jesus was the sinless Son of God.

   But when Jesus was tempted, could he have been capable of committing the sinful acts he was being tempted with?  Or was his will incapable of rejecting God's Will.  This was an extremely divisive debate.  THOUGH it was not as contentious since it was so fine a question that both sides recognized the value of the other side.

The impeccability camp claims that since Jesus was God, He could not sin and was not truly sin.  The peccability camp claims that If Jesus incapable of sin then he did not prove to be as righteous as He claimed and the Righteousness of Christ is then called to question.  Which then calls salvation into question. 

    I hold to peccability.  Christ was capable of giving into temptation which makes His rejection of sin all the more Righteous.                                                                                                                                                                            Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"

     Jesus was divine and would not sin.  The divinity of Christ has not a sinful will. But the flesh of Christ was subject to death and therefore had fleshly desires to overcome.  Christ did not have a will to sin.  But he had fleshly desires that were tempting him to sin.  Were He to theoretically sin He "Jesus human nature" would have instantly died.  In fact, likely before even committing the act, allowing the logos to escape condemnation but failing to provide a sacrifice for sin. Of course Christ never had a will to commit to sin. So this never would have happened, even though it could have happened.
I have a few scriptures that should prove this viewpoint...

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."  

    Here the Messiah is prophesied to have a specific time when he will learn to make moral choices.  Obviously, morally good choices.  But why would this be a learned behavior?  If he has to be trained to "refuse evil", then it implies that he has potential to do evil without training.



Matthew 4:1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, and saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him."

  Satan knows much more than humans; he knows the scriptures. otherwise he would not know to twist them.  Thus he knows that the Son of God is "the Holy one".  He would know that the Father identified Jesus as His Son, and the Holy Spirit had personally anointed Him. So what motivation would Satan have to test an impeccable Christ?  Finally, why did the angels come to minister to Christ, if not the temptations had taken their toll on Him?


Mark 14:32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray. 33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy; 34 and saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. 35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt."

  Prior to the crucifixion, Christ "soul is exceedingly sorrowful unto death."  If Christ were incapable of sin why would he have such mental anguish?  Elsewhere it says that he was so upset that he sweated blood. This is all a product of Christ mind.  Regular humans have been capable of facing painful deaths without such agony.  It seems that the temptations for Christ to disobey were real.  Most importantly look at His prayer; He is asking very fervently of the Father if there was a way out of the crucifixion.  Now Jesus called Peter "Satan" in response to the suggestion of a cross-less Christianity. Then back at Gethsemane we see Christ admit the struggle "nevertheless not what I will". How could Christ be impeccable and not have a will in perfect agreement with the Father?  Jesus ultimately did line up his will with the Father.  There is no doubt that Jesus overcame the temptations of sin.  But the temptations were real.


Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

    This is a very bizarre passage if one assumes impeccability. Jesus had every right to the title "Good master.".  Christ is actually knocking Him off track.  Is he misleading the young man?  Or could it be that he was not yet in a Glorified state and did not want to confuse the lad?
John 20:
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.  Once we factor in Glorification this all makes since As Christ one the victory and salvation is secured.


God Bless you and keep you.





Friday, February 24, 2017

"Is genesis history" a post movie review.

Ok, So I would like to review "Is genesis History?" I just got home. I am shooting from the hip I did not take notes.
Production
The biggest performer in this production was the scenery. They were all over the world in incredible locations with awesome angles. The video production crew was a world class quality.
There is a long series of interviews with about half a dozen scientists. most of which are associated with major creation science ministries.They divide the topics up into geology, Bible history, paleontology, biology, astronomy, archaeology and the big picture in the garden.
After the movie it actually extended in a post movie roundtable discussion.
positives
The movie is very efficiently produced. being on locations has a hi impact. Showing the Mt. St. Helen's sites really demonstrates the flaws of uniformitarian ism. The visuals of the canyons revealing color differences in the rock layers and realizing that these layers are connecting thousands of miles of rocklayers stack so intricately requires a global amount of water to move it.
The distance of certain (scratching lines? i forgot what they called it) across the mountains showing short measurements between each other indicating faster movements and a catastrophe.
demonstrations of the stretchy dinosaur soft tissue.
The Hebrew scholar noting the nature of the text as a narrative and not poetic literature according to the Hebrew context.
Robert Carter a marine biologist stole the show in terms of personality (Idk if it is the same guy Teno :p )
The discussion at the end of the program was really helpful talking about issues in creation science and how research is growing and the challenges regarding how much material to present and how technical to make it.
btw, the theater was almost sold out! another theater in the city was sold out.
criticism)
It is really hard to say if this was for unbelievers or believers. we have to assume it was for believers.
packing all the issues of creation science in two hours is a daunting task I explained my cosmology in 13 hrs on youtube. but two hrs is a lot of time to demand of someone. Even church kids are not necessarily science kids and we live in an ADD generation. but there was a nerdy boy at the ticket counter who was excited to go!
The format was ultimately an interview lecture. large large gaps of time with monologing answers. Very little music, no jokes, only one style of illustrating with a magic pencil upon a brown paper bag back drop. As obsessed with creation science as I am there were still extra long winks! Geology is a boring topic it should probably have been discussed later.
There is too much in house academia. Yes they typically more sophisticated, popular and have access to the best equipment, But they are often ignorant of the history of creation science and instead trained with som many naturalistic pressupositions that they accidently import unbiblical assumptions and ideas which are more in accord with evolution.
The technical language is not helpful. Nobody is being graded as to how much info they retain so if you loose the audience with technical phrases you loose your influence.
Creationist are correct in place history over science. But sometimes they do not carry this fact to it;s logical conclusion.
History is our evidential starting point! Science must submit to it and not the other way around. evidentialism does not work unless it is based in scripture. There will never be evidence that debunks scripture!
I believe the interviewer was part of the truth project under "focus on the family. He was an ID guy if I recall. Of course he may have switched to YEC , which is cool!
The guy presenting mark Armitage's research if I recall had controversy with him. I saw a youtube video wereI think Mark accused him of taking crfedit for his research. But I could have the wrong guy or they may have reconciled.
It was admitted in the post discussion that there are so many theories and they just change according to the ideas they "like more". it is annoying how a lot of good ideas have been ignored.
For instance the g;obal hurricane idea from CPT catastrophic olate tectonics where the storm makes the ice age just never made sense to me. the ice canopy theory is by far a superior explanation.
concept
Just what was the purpose of this event. I felt pretty rushed to find the time for this specific day. evangelism? Fund raising? education?
All of which have flaws. but perhaps this will prove succesful only time will tell.
feelings
all in all it is good to get the public informed about creation science.
But I do feel that as the creation science movement is growing I think the leadership is losing a lot of what has been great about the movement.
There is less scientific free thinking, more compromises with heresy, There is a concentrated effort to "tame" creation science advocates within the camp.
As the rappers say "mo' money mo' problems!"
As I exited I saw a pack of college age kids. four kids looking "churched" a shy girl with skepticisms. she was asking questions about languages and youths didn't have an answer. I really wanted to but in, but I was a stranger and then as I was about to step in any my wife came out of the bathroom and it was time to go.
Wether I made the right call or notI do wish they had something for interaction. anyways I give it a B.

Sunday, February 19, 2017

More proof of a biblically round earth. (note ether)

More proof of a biblically round earth.
"Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
The firmament of Heaven here is an expanse. The expanse of the universe has been called space and is better understood as the ether. The firmament is holding the sun and stars as they are a part of the ether,
Psalms 19:4
Their line is gone out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5
which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6
His going forth is from the end of the heaven,
and his circuit unto the ends of it:
and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
The sun is fixed in the ether/firmament so if the sun is racing then the firmament is racing with it.
Genesis 19:23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar."
if the sun rises, then the ether rises and sets along side does circuits around the earth.
Flat earth states there are ends to the earth.
Then the universe is moving around the earth.
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
The ether is identified as empty places and by implication nothing.
By going around the earth which is 3d and round
isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
The flat earths have to re-interpret the "nothing" of job to the great deep waters which destroyed the earth(?)
A global biblical universe fits with the biblical globed earth.

Thursday, February 16, 2017

REsponse:59 Percent of Millennials Raised in a Church Have Dropped Out—And They’re Trying to Tell Us Why


 http://faithit.com/12-reasons-millennials-over-church-sam-eaton/

Actually the statistic is positive. In my day the drop out rate was 91%. But statistics are fallacious anyways(inductive fallacy). I also wonder about how the house churches were regarded.
The author sneaks in a false gospel from the start. The gospel is not about this life!!! my destination is not an air-conditioned concert venue!!! By the blood of Jesus Christ my destination is Heaven!

Trying to make a different body of Christ as a heaven on earth social gospel is poop. They tried the social gospel in the 50's and what happened is that got away from the gospel of Christ and were taken over by communist! Churches started celebrating idolatry, abortion and sodomy.
A little leaven leavens the whole lump! most churches are perverted from what The Bible requires. This is why they have altered bibles by the multitudes, just to keep The Holy Bible from being the Divine authority. Instead having the pastors become idols and when they are exposed they let the younger generation fall.
Here is my book about the situation years ago before things got bad.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1463753136/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
But the whole attitude of the article is a CON.






Also just try to go through the Bible and find me a single verse where churches are called invisible.  This teaching came from platonism and gnosticism.

 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-should-we-have-separate.html
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2008/04/little-c-catholicism-true-flaw-of.html
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-ecumenicist-are-evil-bigots.html
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-is-new-testament-church.html


Churches gave the children the spiritual Pot of entertainment based Christianity. So the author wants us to shoot up liberal heroin!
The Bible teaches to honor the father and mother, not to worship youth! It does not matter what they "want", because their wants are both in the flesh and spiritually immature.
If young people want to establish biblical new testament churches they are more than welcome to. But God does not bless rebellion!!!
Young people running from the church must realize that they will be discipline at best and burn for all eternity if they don't repent.
Being nice feels good but ultimately it has NO ABILITY TO SAVE!

Real love doesn't seek approval real love only brings life!