Monday, December 11, 2017

A new look at an Old Word End Notes
About Matt
Matt Singleton is a graduate of Boyce Bible College(the undergraduate for Southern Baptist Theological Seminary)2003 with a BS Interdisciplinary degree(youth ministry apologetics) A graduate of Campbellsville University 2007 with Masters of theology concentration in Biblical Studies. He is a licensed preacher(2003) Ordained minister (2005) and ordained deacon(2016). An experienced Youth minister, children's minister.  He is an experienced political activist (TakeBack KY KYAFA etc)  He hosted Bible Smack Radio 7years and KY GrassRoots Radio 6 years as well Guest hosted TheRest of the NEWS with Dr. Frank Simon. Matt has also authored "What would Jesus say to Evangelicals."
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Breif Glossary
Alexandrine:noun Pertaining to Alexandria. There are many cities of this name, in various parts of the earth. The term is often applied an attribute, or used as a noun, for one who professed or taught the sciences in the school of Alexandria in Egypt; a place highly celebrated for its literature and magnificence, and whose library, it is said, consisted of 700, 000 volumes. The Persians and Turks write for Alexander, Scander, or Sconder; and for Alexandria, Scanderona; hence Scanderoon, a sea port in Syria.Webster 1828
)One who holds the doctrine of the baptism of adults, or of the invalidity of infant baptism, and the necessity of rebaptization in an adult age. One who maintains that baptism ought always to be performed by immersion.Webster 1828
Antiochan/Syrian) A family of manuscripts and antiquated translations from Antioch Syria, also identified as Byzantine.
Byzantine): of, relating to, or characteristic of the ancient city of Byzantium
Codex:: a manuscript book especially of Scripture, classics, or ancient annals (merriam webster)
To lay together and compare, by examining the points in which two or more things of a similar kind agree or disagree; applied particularly to manuscripts and books; as, to collate copies of the Hebrew Scriptures.Webster 1828
Confession)A formulary in which the articles of faith are comprised; a creed to be assented to or signed, as a preliminary to admission into a church. 
Conflagration)1. A great fire or the burning of any great mass of combustibles, as a house, but more especially a city or a forest."Webster 1828
Dynamic Equivalency) In translation, finding a thought in a sentence or text from one language to another.Webster 1828
Formal equivalency) In translation, finding a word equivalent from one language to another.
Manuscript:, noun [Latin manu scriptum, written with the hand.]
A book or paper written with the hand or pen.Webster 1828
Masoretic text: adjective [Heb. to deliver, whence masora, tradition, whence the Masorites, the adherents to the traditionary readings of the Scriptures.] Relating to the Masorites, who interpreted the Scriptures by tradition, and invented the Hebrew points to fix the true reading and pronunciation. Whence the vowel points are denominated masoreticWebster 1828
Nestle-Alund text) A popular critical Greek text of the NT collated from mostly alexandrine readings.
Paraphrase) An explanation of some text or passage in a book, in a more clear and ample manner than is expressed in the words of the author. Webster 1828
REFORM'ED, participle passive Corrected; amended; restored to a good state; as a reformed profligate; the reformed church.Webster 1828
Roman Catholic): of, relating to, or being a Christian church having a hierarchy of priests and bishops under the pope, a liturgy centered in the Mass, veneration of the Virgin Mary and saints, clerical celibacy, and a body of dogma including transubstantiation and papal infallibility Merriam-Webster
Septuagint)noun [Latin septuaginta, seventy; septem, seven, and some word signifying ten.] A Greek version of the Old Testament, so call because it was the work of seventy, or rather of seventy-two interpreters. This translation from the Hebrew is supposed have been made in the reign and by the order of Ptolemy Philadelphus, king of Egypt, about two hundred and seventy or eighty years before the birth of Christ. Webster 1828
Textual Criticism)the study of a literary work that aims to establish the original text Merriam-Webster
Textus Receptus)
: the generally accepted text of a literary work (such as the Greek New Testament) textus receptus): the generally accepted text of a literary work (such as the Greek New Testament) Merriam-webster
Theology:Divinity; the science of God and divine things; or the science which teaches the existence, character and attributes of God, his laws and government, the doctrines we are to believe, and the duties we are to practice. Theology consists of two branches, natural and revealed. Natural theology is the knowledge we have of God from his works, by the light of nature and reason. Revealed theology is that which is to be learned only from revelation." Webster 1828
Translation)That which is produced by turning into another language; a version. We have a good translation of the Scriptures.Webster 1828
Uncial: adjective [Latin uncialis.] Pertaining to letters of a large size, used in ancient manuscripts.Webster 1828
Vulgate): A very ancient Latin version of the scriptures, one the only one which the Romish church admits to be authentic. It is so called from its common use in the Latin church.Webster 1828
Wescott-Hort text) The first modern Greek New Testament based on a collation mainly of Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus

Scripture index

Exodus 25:1, 40:20 Deut. 10:5,31:2, 1king 8:9, 1Samuel 5:9,6:19, 1 Chron. 13:9-11
John 1:1,14,5:39, 2Tim. 3:16,Hebrews 10:7
chapter 1
Job 38:3-7,2,(john 5:26,Acts 17:25), 2 Samuel 23:2, Amos 3:7-8, numbers 23:19,psalm 147:5, 2timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:18-21, Matthew 5:17-19, Psalm 12:6-7, 33:11, Isaiah 6:5-8, Matthew 24:35, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, 1 Peter 1:23-25,ibid, Mark 13:10, ibid, John 6:44-46, John 10:26-27, 1 Cor. 2:10-16, Psalm 119:89-90, Deut, 4:2,12:28,32, Prov. 30:5-6, Jeremiah 26:2, Matt. 15:6-9, 1 Cor. 4:6, 1 Thess. 5:27, 2 Thess. 3:14, Rev. 22:18-19, Isaiah 59:21, ibid, 1 Tim. 3:15, 1 Pet. 2:9, Mal.2:6-7, Deut, 17:18, Rom. 3:1-2, Rom. 9:4, ibid, Acts6:4, 1 cor. 2:17, 2 Cor. 3:14, 4:2,6, Hebrews 8:10, Matt. 15:14, Rom. 3:10-18, Eph. 2:2-3, 1John 3:10, 2Cor. 4:3-4, 3:14-16, Psalm 50:16-19,, Jer. 36:5-8,20-24, john 8:37,43-45,47, Matt. 7:15-23,Daniel 9:25-26, Zech. 12:10, Psalm 22:14-16, Isaiah 53:6-12, psalms 16:10.
Chapter 2
1 John 3:8, Gen. 3:1, Heb. 11:24-27, Ex. 7:10-13,20-22, Ex. 8:5-7,17-19, Genesis 10:6,13-14,12:10, 21:9, 18,21, Gal. 4:23-31, Ezekiel 18:4, 1 John 5:16, 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, Gen. 25:12-18, 26:1-5,37:25-28, 46:3-4, 47:29, Ex. 20:2, Exek. 29:13-16, 32:2-6, Isa. 30:1-16, Hosea 11:1-6, Jer. 44:15-19, Matt. 2:13, Isa. 19:18-24, (psalm 106:22, Jer. 44:26, Eze. 29:13-15, Rev. 11:18, Mal. 2:7-8, Deut. 31:24-25), Matthew 5:42-44, prov, 27:1-2,(Heb. 4:12, ibid), 2 John 2:10, luke 12:19,Mat. 6:22, Romans 1:18-32, heb. 11:35, Luke 16:22-24, psalm 119:89, Deut. 4:2,12:32, Psalm 12:6-7
Chapter 3
Col. 2:8, Jude 1:4, John 2:13-16, Matt. 21:12-13, Gal. 3:3-7,  Phil. 3:3-4, 9, 1Tim. 4:1-4, 1 Pet. 2:5-10, Jer. 45:15-18, Hebrews 9:11-14,  1 Tim. 2:5, John 8:38-44, Matt. 23:9, 15-21, Acts 1:15-17, 21-26, 1 cor. 15:2-10, 1 Tim. 2:13, 1 Peer 2:1,Rom. 3:25, John 1:42
Chapter 4
Psalm 50:16-17, James 3:12, psalm 12:6-7, Rev. 22:18-19, Rom. 3:22,25,Matt. 5:17-20, Col. 1:!9, John 1:12-13,18, 3:16-18, 20:28, 7:6-13, 1 Pet. 1:23-25
Chapter 5
Mark 9:43-48, 16:9-20, 1-8, John 1;18,7:53-8:11, Acts 7:30, Ex. 3:2, Acts 8:37, 1 Tim. 3:16, 1 john 5:7, 2:20,5:1-11, john 5:30-37, 1:1-9
Chapter 6
(5Romans 3:2; 16Isaiah 8:20; 17Acts 15:15; 18John 5:39; 191 Corinthians 14:6, 9, 11, 12, 24, 28; 20Colossians 3:16),  1 tim. 5:17-20, Matt. 18:15-20, 23:1-11, 1 Pet. 5:2-3, Deut. 5;11, Acts 6:3,5,11:19, 20, 25, 13:1-3,(job 6:25, Ecc. 1:18, Matthew 3:3)
Chapter 7:
1 Cor. 14:33, Deut. 32:33, Psalm 74:13, Isa. 13:22, Gen. 11:6, Matt. 28:20, 23:23-24, Rom. 16:17, 1 Tim. 3:16, 1Cor. 1:10-16, psalm 110:1,  John 4:19, Isaiah 14:12, 9-15, Deut. 32:16-17, Psalm 82:6, Gen. 3:14-15, Rev. 12:9, Matthew 16:29, John 13:27-29, 2 Cor. 11:14, Luke 10:18, ibid, 2 Peter 1:19,
Matt. 13:18-23

Psa. 12:6-7, Gen. 49:10-12, Josh. 18:1, 1 Samuel 13:1,5, 2 Samuel 8:4, 12:31, 21:19, 23:11, 1Ki. 4:26, 2 Chron. 9:25, 2 Ki. 8:26, 2 chron. 22:2, 2Ki. 18:13, (2ki. 18:1,2,10,2Ki. 17:1,12,19:36,37,35)  2Ki. 24:8, 2chron. 16:1, Jer. 20:7,9,14-15, Jer. 27:1, 36:28, Matt. 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20, luke 8:26-39, Mark 16:9-20, John 7:53-8:11, Acts 7:14, Gen. 46:26, Eph. 4:8, psalm 68:18, Heb. 9:3-4, Ex. 30:1-7, Heb. 9:6-7, 1 John 5:6-9

John 4:13-26, Acts 17:23-31, Romans 1:18-32, luke 23:8-19, Mark 14:66-72,  Rom. 5:6-11, luke 23:14-24, Matt. 23:37-39, Heb. 10:1,12-21, john 5:22-25, 19:38-42, Phil. 3:8-11, 1John 5:9-13, MAtthew 28:1-20, Rev. 22:17

Gospel Presentation

As opposed giving a talented analogy I will let the Bible which I promote provide the Spiritual power unto salvation to all who desire it.

John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. 15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. 16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 for thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Acts 17: 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Luke 23:And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him. Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing. 10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him. 11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate."
john 3:Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Mark 14:66 And as Peter was beneath in the palace, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest: 67 and when she saw Peter warming himself, she looked upon him, and said, And thou also wast with Jesus of Nazareth. 68 But he denied, saying, I know not, neither understand I what thou sayest. And he went out into the porch; and the cock crew. 69 And a maid saw him again, and began to say to them that stood by, This is one of them. 70 And he denied it again. And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilæan, and thy speech agreeth thereto. 71 But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak. 72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
Romans 5:For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement."
Luke 23:14 said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: 15 no, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. 16 I will therefore chastise him, and release him. 17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.) 18 And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: 19 (who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.) 20 Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them. 21 But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. 22 And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go. 23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed. 24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.

Matthew 23: 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Hebrews 10:And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 and having an high priest over the house of God; 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."

john 5: 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathæa, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus. 39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. 40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."
Philippians  3:Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

1 John 5:
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Romans 10: For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Saturday, November 4, 2017

Cardinal Hill gospel tract 2

SJW:The God of the Bible is racist, sexist and homophobic!! I want nothing to do with Him!!
C: So Would you be mad at God if he gave you eternal life in Paradise?
SJW: What do you mean? I mean... say I wouldn't be mad but... I guess
C:So would you agree that it is preferable to have a God who will redeem you and give you eternal life in Heaven as opposed to eternal damnation in Hell?
SJW: Well yeah but, How do you even know God exist?
C:If God does not exist who will condemn you in the afterlife for believing in Him and being confident of salvation?
SJW: Well, Nobody but, I mean it would not be true!
C: If there is no God, then who determines what is really true?
SJW: But hold on! What about all the wickedness going on in the name of religion? Where is God when bad things happen?
C: Well do you know everything there is to know about God, everything he has every done, and thought and meant and will do?
SJW: Well, no.
C: Then why would it be your place to judge Him?  But God knows these things about you and not only does he know what you have meant for Good but he knows every time you have ever cursed Him and sinned against other people.
C: Let me ask you this question, if there was a way, that you could overcome death and guilt and find hope that will never fade and a love that will never end would you like to know it?
SJW:I.. I guess so.
C: The Scriptures say...
psalm 14:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,
there is none that doeth good.
The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men,
to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy:
there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
John 3:
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Romans 5:
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
john 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Romans 10:
that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
SJW: Is that it?
C:That's where it begins
SJW: Don't I have to do a bunch of rituals and follow a bunch of rules?
C: Not to be saved. But if there is stuff you need to do, then you will do it once you love Him.
1 john 2:
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
C: I pray that you understand the truth friend.
Revelation 22:
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Saturday, October 28, 2017

Cardinal hill gospel track 1

There once was a man named Russel.  Russel had made a modest living and was a good family man.  Russel's daughter Cassie was the apple of his eye. She was a shy girl and russel longed for the day that he could spoil her and make her feel like the princess that he sees her as.
So Russel had a plan. For her 16th birthday Russel rented a hall at the local hotel and bought a car and invited all of her friends to a huge party.  He even bought her a dress for much like the prom queen gown.
  Russel was excited about this idea and he made sure to invite all her classmates and freinds. Well one of Cassies freinds spilled the beans to her about the party.  The girls were ecstatic and she knew that he had bought her a dress. So she and her girlfriend searched the house and finally found it hidden in the garage. It was absolutely gorgeous! She couldn't wait to try it on. So she put on the dress and felt as if she was transformed into a super model. Her girlfriend was so excited they started to play and dance. But then, Cassie tripped and she fell against the wall, which shook a can of paint loose and splatter all over her! Cassie was devastated and her dad was heart broken. The family had spent all their money on this event and they could not afford to buy her a new dress.
But then Russel looked to his son, Jamal. Jamal was always a good hard working son. He had worked hard and finally earned himself a brand new car.
Then Russel asked "Son?" "yeah dad?" Jamal Responded. "you know what's going on with your sister."  You know She needs this and we need this.
Jamal"yeah Dad"
Russel "Son, I need you to do something for me. Give me the keys"
Jamal "Do I have to Dad?"
Russel "I am afraid so Son, I love her too much."
Jamal "Sigh...... Ok Dad"
  Now does that seem fair to you?  Why must the father sacrifice what belongs to the Son for his daughter?
Simple. Because of the love of the Father.  You see there was a greater Father than Russel who loved his chosen daughter a lot more than His Son and that was God the Father who loved his chosen bride so much that he gave his only begotten Son for her. He has sought out to redeem her and will stop at nothing to redeem her and give her value. Even if she does not deserve it.  This is what God feels for you. You do not deserve His love. But he wants to redeem you and give you beauty for ugliness, honor for dishonor and Happiness over despair. Will you where the good new garments that were sacrificed for you?  Or will you instead keep your soiled clothes and keep your pride?
If you want to live by the grace God has given you and receive The Lord Jesus to save you from the pits of Hell Trust in Jesus Christ as the sinless lamb of God

Monday, October 23, 2017

Is there convincing scientific and historical evidence that a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 is a factual record of historical events? a moderated internet debate

intro:"Is there is convincing extrabiblical evidence that Genesis 1-11 ought to be interpreted literally? This debate will attempt to answer that question.
Tonight, Matt SIngleton will be arguing in the affirmative and Brady Hornstra will be arguing against this. I (Nate Werner) will be moderating. This debate will start at 7 PM EST and continue until 8 PM EST 10/24/17 or earlier, depending on how the debate goes. Matt will begin with his opening statement, followed by Brady. After which, there will be 2 rebuttal periods separated by 48 hours for each debater. The 1st will be a response to the opening statements and the 2nd will be a response to the previous rebuttal. After this, there will be a period of cross-examination where each debater will ask the other 5 questions. There will be a 24 hr break after which Brady followed by Matt will give their closing statements. I will then open up the comments for audience participation for 6 hrs. Each debater may choose whether to respond to a question asked to the other. If I consider a comment to be off topic then I will delete it. Normal rules of the group apply, anyone violating the group rules will be removed. Please do not comment until after I have made it available.
Also, I will be posting Brady's opening statement for him since he will be unavailable to do so.
I would like to end this with a quick prayer. "Lord, please allow your truth to be made known tonight. Please give both debaters clear minds as they write their responses, and allow the audience to read and comprehend what is being said. I pray for mutual respect among all parties involved. σύν σοφὶα καί ἀλήθεια. Amen."

opening statement:
Affirmative:Matt SIngleton I would like to thank God for the Honor of defending His Word publicly. I am sure I will lack perfect, but I will do so with all my strength to honor Him. I also thank Brady Hornstra for competing in this venue as well nate werner for moderating as well as the team of this facebook page for setting this up.
When we approach God's Word do we approach it as learned men on a conquest with our tools of education to seek and acquire the truth which we may excavate and extract from the ancient documents to attain eternal enlightenment and immortality? Or do we approach it as wretched sinners void of honor, reputation laying down our good works and scholarship counted as dung and receiving the light of the Word solely on it's own accord?
In the Spirit of the later I give the affirmative. The evidences that i have acquired are not used as a basis for either my faith or my doctrine. Instead they are the fruits of seeing the World which God has blanketed me in through faith.
My approach here can be Identified as such. Understanding Genesis preserved in the Hebrew Masoretic Text translated in the Authorized King James Version, I interpret Genesis 1-11 as a historical narrative in accordance with the historical grammatical hermeneutic (this hermeneutic I apply to all scripture) and operating under a basic regulative principle. Henry Morris understood 2 forms of miracles creative/divine miracles which would supercede the laws of physics and providential miracles which God operates without breaking the laws of physics. I see genesis 1 as being creative miracles throught the period were these laws are either not in place or only partially in place. Genesis 2-9 see a world operating in accordance with physic only having an highly different nature and environment or ecology.
The disaster of the flood changed the earth into eventually the environments of today.
here I will simply list the basic evidences for my premise. I will provide links later when need as well as deal with various criticisms independently and offer personal hypothesis and interpretations I have developed as they come up
1. Genesis 1 is a historical record. The 2 mainhistorians of this jewish account Flavius Josephus employed by Rome and Archbishop James Usher employed by Britain interpretted these accounts as historical even though they could have went with metaphor. Hebraic Scholar James Barr not only assumed gen 1-11 to be meant historical but knew of none of his liberal colleagues to hold and alternative interpretation. the ancient pre-socratic philosophers logically debunked all their national pagan myths of being historical. No atheist evolutionist were there to observe the alternative of darwinian evolution.
2. Knowing the massive size of the universe it is apparent that more energy would be require to make the universe, even if we add time we also must assume the vast energy of time and after all is said the power to create our universe is automatically relatively infinite, imply need for a divine source of energy.
3.God is a historical character) witnesses confirm the person of Jehovah active in events interacting several people in the garden of eden also through out genesis and the bible, as well religious people all over the world have at times seriously claimed to interacte with him. As a person he fits the description of the creator which is required for the creation of the world. more importantly he is a valid witness to genesis 1.
4. The light problem is hard for secular cosmology. How can 11 billion light years account for at least 32 billion light years of space?
5. unreflected light may be instantaneous and God is under no constraint to not create it every where as opposed to starting at one point, in fact this is more consistent with the 1st day.
6. The Bible claims a wet earth. A wet earth would destroy planetary evolution which poses an old molten lavic earth which shoul evaporate such phenomena. this destroys inuformitarianis and evolution.
7. Boyles law teaches that gas expands when heated. this destroys starformation which requires gas to contract.
8.Lunar formation has been a highly rejected theory as the moon lacks many elements on the earth.
9. The law of pasteurization proved the dead material does not become living material. this contradicts abiogenesis and leaves evolutionist speculating on space aliens.
10. Darwin though cells were simple but they require a trillion parts thus implying the need for intelligent design.
11. Plant evolution lacks evidence.
12. the requirements for establishing an ecosystem multiplies the need for a Designer, the God of the Bible.
13. The obvious lack of transistional fossils leave evolution an adhoc fantasy.
14. Macro evolution mathematically requires more time than our current 3 billion year timeline.
15. The growth of the human population is mathematically way to small for anything past a 5-6000 year history.
16. We are extremely lacking in geo historical evidence for the geologic column.
17. the pre cambrian layer has pointed some scientist to a world wide flood at some point. Massive canyons and marine fossils also point this way.
18. There have been peer reviewed papers showing the mathemaitcal feasibility of Noahs Ark but not the mythological competitors.
rebuttal: brady

Since Matt enumerated his pieces of evidence, I will number my responses so that they correspond with his evidence.

1. First of all, Josephus and Usher are historians, not theologians. Second, Usher's work was mostly ignored. Third, no sources are given for what James Barr actually said.

2. Even if this is true, it does not necessitate a young universe.

3. This presupposes that Genesis 1-11 is meant to be a literal account, which is the very thing that you are trying to prove. So presupposing it is in order to prove that it is means you are begging the question.

4. First of all, space expands, and the further out it is, the faster it expands. Second of all, don't even try to pretend that this isn't a massive problem for a young universe, because a young universe requires space to expand many times faster than what it currently is.

5. Conjectures don't count as evidence. You yourself admitted that it is a conjecture when you said, "unreflected light may be instantaneous."

6. Again, you are presupposing a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 to prove a literal interpretation.

7. No, Boyle's law says that at a constant temperature, pressure and volume are inversely related.

8. Even if that is true, that does not prove a young universe by any means.

9. There is no such law called "law of pasteurization." But I'm guessing you're just referring to pasteurization. Sure, non-living things tend to stay non-living. But if that was always the case, then Jesus would still be in the tomb.

10. Does what Darwin falsely thought somehow prove that the universe is young or that Genesis 1-11 is meant to be read as a literal and historical account?

11. I am not well versed in evidence for evolution of plants. But even if there wasn't any evidence at all for evolution of plants, how does that prove that Genesis 1-11 is meant to be read literally? Also, just making a blanket statement such as claiming there is zero evidence for plant evolution needs backing. Also, what would you expect to find if plants had evolved over time?

12. I think you're forgetting that you aren't debating an atheist. How does God being creator necessitate a young universe?

13. There are plenty of transitional fossils. Take the whale, for example. We currently have odontocetes. We have fossils of dorudon, rodhocetus, kutchicetus, amblocetus, pakicetus. Part of why people say we don't have transitional fossils is because they have unrealistic expectations of what transitional fossils are supposed to look like.

14. You give no evidence to back that claim up. And even if it was true, it does not necessitate reading Genesis 1-11 literally.

15. You are assuming that the current growth rate has always been the growth rate. However, before the industrial revolution, death rates used to be much higher than what they currently are.

16. There are actually two locations where we have the entire geological column in its entirety. One is the Bonaparte Basin of Australia and the other is the Williston Basin of North Dakota.

17. If the existence of massive canyons are evidence of a global flood, then was the Valles Marineris on Mars caused by a global flood?

18. First of all, can you show me any of those peer-reviewed papers? Second, even if that is true, it still doesn't show that Genesis 1-11 is meant to be read historically.

My response:
In response, first of all there seems to be a major seems to be a major misunderstanding as to the purpose of the affirmation. I am not here to establish that Genesis ought to be interpreted literally, I am providing scientific and historical evidence for the literal interpretation as was my original affirmation universally accepted (including yourself) until admins changed it 2hrs before the debate. I don't mind fending off weak hermeneutical attacks, but I am not going to play by misguided new rules because of scientific impotence to rebut my case.
Also the 18 arguments form a commulative case sotogether they establish evidence confirmimg the literal understanding of genesis 1-11. In science it is often considered ludirous to establish a theory witn a basis of only a single fact.
1. Yes they were historians and have an expertise in affirming if a report is historical. As far as James BArr's quote
"James Barr, Oriel Professor of the interpretation of the Holy Scripture, Oxford University, England, in a letter to David C.C. Watson, 23 April 1984. "
Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:
"creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story
Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark."
As far as Usshers scholarship look at what wikipedia says of his chronology/ "Ussher's chronology represented a considerable feat of scholarship: it demanded great depth of learning in what was then known of ancient history, including the rise of the Persians, Greeks and Romans, as well as expertise in the Bible, biblical languages, astronomy, ancient calendars and chronology. Ussher's account of historical events for which he had multiple sources other than the Bible is usually in close agreement with modern accounts—for example, he placed the death of Alexander in 323 BC and that of Julius Caesar in 44 BC."
2. The power required creating the universe pinpoints God as the most likely possible cause.
3. nonsense. an eye-witness is not question begging. God has millions of eye witness and is the likely 1st cause. he had eye witnesses in the Garden of Eden and therefore He was present to observe the creation days which he reported.
4.Oh, space expands? Into what? What is outside of space? You have atheistic presupposition that space expands into nothing. But as we can see from the results of spring theory expansion past the speed of light which according to the theory of relativity is impossible. But what if space is solid? The pressures at the ends of the universe are in fact are so concentrated that life would be impossible.
5. if light takes time then reflection takes more time, that is a fact not conjecture. But Einstein agrees to the conjecture. Einstein was well aware of this dilemma. He said, “It would thus appear as though we were moving here in a logical circle.”
6."Is there enough water for a World Wide Flood? Yes there is. In the past few years using seismic tools. They have found that a mineral called ” wadsleyite” holds 2% water by weight. That may not sound like much until you realize how much wadsleyite exists in the upper mantle of the earth. Figures show that 2% would work out to be somewhere around 30 oceans worth added to the water that we already know exists. And this has been tested in more than one place by more than one scientist which makes the results observable and repeatable which is empirical evidence. Which means evolutionists can no longer deny the possibility that a flood of this magnitude could happen."
"The hydrogen-isotope [deuterium/hydrogen (D/H)] ratio of Earth can be used to constrain the origin of its water. However, the most accessible reservoir, Earth’s oceans, may no longer represent the original (primordial) D/H ratio, owing to changes caused by water cycling between the surface and the interior. Thus, a reservoir completely isolated from surface processes is required to define Earth’s original D/H signature. Here we present data for Baffin Island and Icelandic lavas, which suggest that the deep mantle has a low D/H ratio (δD more negative than -218 per mil). Such strongly negative values indicate the existence of a component within Earth’s interior that inherited its D/H ratio directly from the protosolar nebula. (emphasis added)"
Hallis, L.J., et al., Evidence for primordial water in Earth’s deep mantle, Science 350(6262): 795-797, November 13, 2015.
Kola superdeep bore hole discovers water.
7.Boyle’s law, also called Mariotte’s law, a relation concerning the compression and expansion of a gas at constant temperature. This empirical relation, formulated by the physicist Robert Boyle in 1662, states that the pressure (p) of a given quantity of gas varies inversely with its volume (v) at constant temperature; i.e., in equation form, pv = k, a constant. The relationship was also discovered by the French physicist Edme Mariotte (1676).
8. the universe can't explain the moon while God can.
9. The reurrection was a miracle and does not debunk a science law. just like the ascension does npt debunk gravity.
10. Darwin is the alternative an it does not work. Evolutionist a minimum need to go to the back of the academic line.
11. They would need a source of carbon dioxide to begin with.
12. I have reiterated this point already.
13. The whales do not look like those mammals, there hip bones are not vestigal because they help mating. To make up a fact without historical record must have a high demand to be proven. Don't complain because evolution does not meet these demands. Evolution is based upon random acts, not determined acts.
16.2 locations of all the earth is insignificant especially when they do not match the original 100mile deep model.
"It is a problem not easily solved by the classic methods of stratigraphical paleontology, as obviously we will land ourselves immediately in an impossible circular argument if we say, firstly that a particular lithology [theory of rock strata] is synchronous on the evidence of its fossils, and secondly that the fossils are synchronous on the evidence of the lithology."—*Derek V. Ager, The Nature of the Stratigraphic Record (1973), p. 62.
17. the are scientist who believe mars was a global flood.
"In the ship classification rules, a ship should satisfy two kinds of stability criteria: GM for small heel angle, and dynamic stability. We applied the ABS (American Bureau of Shipping)’s rule to all 13 hull forms. The results showed that all hull forms except hull #1 sufficiently satisfied all the requirements. It should be especially noted that the Ark was 13 times more stable than the standard for safety required by the ABS rule." this was abreviated for space.
14. Therefore, the successful production of a 200-component functioning organism requires, at least, 200 successive, successful such "mutations," each of which is highly unlikely. Even evolutionists recognize that true mutations are very rare, and beneficial mutations are extremely rare—not more than one out of a thousand mutations are beneficial, at the very most.
But let us give the evolutionist the benefit of every consideration. Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance for it to be good as bad. Thus, the probability for the success of each mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half. Elementary statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts."
The evolutionist might react by saying that even though any one such mutating organism might not be successful, surely some around the world would be, especially in the 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds) of assumed earth history. Therefore, let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this). Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try. In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system. Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts. Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021.
All this means that the chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, is less than one chance out of a billion trillion. What possible conclusion, therefore, can we derive from such considerations as this except that evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!
19. pre Cambrian layer
"It took a global flood to tap that capacity, Dr. Smith and Dr. Harper propose. They base their proposal on a study published last year by Shanan Peters of the University of Wisconsin and Robert Gaines of Pomona College. They offered evidence that the Cambrian Explosion was preceded by a rise in sea level that submerged vast swaths of land, eroding the drowned rocks.

“There’s a big kick that correlates with the sea level rise,” Dr. Smith said of the fossil record. He and Dr. Harper propose that this kick happened thanks to the new habitats created by the sea level rise. These shallow coastal habitats were bathed in sunlight and nourished with eroding nutrients like phosphates. Animals colonized these new fertile habitats, Dr. Smith and Dr. Harper argue, and evolved to take up new ecological niches." Carl Zimmer quoting Paul Smith and David Harper
1. When determining the message of a passage, it would be wiser to look to a theologian over a historian. Ergo, while what Ussher and Josephus wrote may be useful, it wasn't to determine the message of the text. There are also many scholars who do not read Genesis 1-11 literally. John Walton, Scott McKnight, NT Wright, Pete Enns, Denis Lamoureaux, and many others do not read Genesis 1-11 literally.

2. Like I said before, I don't reject it, but it doesn't prove that Genesis 1-11 ought to be read literally.

3. But you're assuming that Genesis 1-11 is meant to be an eyewitness account in order to prove that Genesis 1-11 is an eyewitness account. Ergo, you are begging the question.

4. Again with poisoning the well. You hear something scientific that you don't like, so you just declare it as "atheistic" so that our audience will reject it before even looking into it.

5. The conjecture that I was referring to was when you said "unreflected light may be instantaneous." Also, simply quoting Einstein saying that there is a logical circle doesn't mean that he was referring to unreflected light being instantaneous.

6. This has nothing to do with what #6 was previously about.

7. Boyle's law does not imply that stars should not exist.

8. What kind of argument from incredulity is that?

9. Even if God is the only explanation that life exists, it doesn't follow that Genesis 1-11 must be interpreted literally.

10. This is barely a coherent claim.

11. Of course there needs to be carbon in order to carbon date things. How does this prove a literal reading of Genesis 1-11?

12. No, you haven't demonstrated that God existing necessitates a young universe.

13. Even if evolution doesn't happen, that doesn't prove that Genesis 1-11 must be read literally.

14. Even if evolution is false, that doesn't prove that Genesis 1-11 must be read literally.

15. I can't access the article. Since your entire argument for #15 depends on that article, I have nothing to say.

16. The claim that fossils date strata and strata date fossils ignores how geologists actually date strata. They date strata by dating the rock that makes up the strata, not the fossils themselves.

17. The only scientists who believe there was a global flood on Mars are those who need there to have been a global flood so that their interpretation of Genesis 1-11 is maintained.

18. That article is not peer-reviewed.

Nothing Matt said here proves that Genesis 1-11 must be interpreted literally. Thanks for the debate Matt, but make sure you actually defend your thesis next time.

Denial: Brady Hornstra

Before I start my opening statement, I want to thank Matt Singleton for being willing to debate me on this topic. I reject the claim that there is convincing scientific and historical evidence that a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 is a factual record of historical events.
The first thing I want to say is that my opponent is most likely selective with how he interprets Genesis 1-11 literally. Genesis 1:6 describes a solid dome that is placed over the earth. My opponent most likely does not believe that there is a solid dome over the earth. If one would read Genesis 1-11 literally, then they would conclude that Genesis 1:16 says that the moon produces its own light. Also, Genesis 2:4 says that God created the earth in one day, not six days. Also, Genesis 2:5 says that no bushes are anywhere, but Genesis 1:12 says that all sorts of vegetation had sprouted forth. Genesis 2:17 says that on the very day that Adam and Eve eat of the fruit, they will die. However, neither Adam nor Eve died on the day that they ate of the fruit. Also, Cain in Genesis 4:14 says that if anyone finds him, he is afraid that they will kill him. God doesn’t tell Cain that only he and his parents are the only other people on the planet, rather God tells Cain He will have vengeance on anyone who kills Cain. Why would God tell him this if Cain and his parents are the only people on the planet? These are some of the main issues that result from interpreting all of Genesis 1-11 completely literally.
The next thing that I want to say is that a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 has never been popular within Christianity until within the past 100 years. Origen wrote, “Again, who would think that one was a partaker of good and evil by munching on what was taken from the other tree? And as far as God walking in the paradise in the evening, and Adam hiding himself under a tree, I do not think that anyone doubts that these things are to be taken figuratively, and that they indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally.” Augustine wrote, “Some works belonged to the invisible days in which he created all things simultaneously, and others belong to the days in which he daily fashions whatever evolves in the course of time from what I call the primordial wrappers.” Justin Martyr, Cyprian of Carthage, and Irenaeus all argued that the days of Genesis 1 are periods of 1000 years. Thomas Burnet wrote in Sacred Theory of the Earth that most commentators of his time held to the chaos-restitution theory of Genesis 1. Dr. Joshua Moritz notes that the earliest geologists were Christian. Since those geologists believed in a finite history of the earth, that allowed them to have freedom to study the age of the earth. According to Rodney Stiling, “the view of the Flood as partial or limited had emerged as dominant among most English-speaking Christians, including evangelicals” by the mid-1800s. BB Warfield, the theologian who came up with the concept of biblical inerrancy, had no problem with affirming evolution. Young-earth creationism became popular within Christianity only as a result of Henry Morris’s book The Genesis Flood. Morris got his view of creation from that of Seventh Day Adventists. Given the historical aversion to accept Genesis 1-11 as strictly historical, we should be slow to be arrogant and assert that young-earth creationism is the best interpretation of Genesis 1-11.
There are also a handful of philosophical problems that result from young-earth creationist rebuttals to evidence for an old earth. The first problem is that it doesn’t treat God as a God of order. When people point out that it would have taken light from distant stars several billion years to arrive here on earth, they might respond by saying that the speed of light has changed since the beginning of creation. In order for something that is currently 12.5 billion light years away to be only 6,000 years old, the speed of light would had to have been over two million times faster 6,000 years ago. Either it slowed down exponentially or by year. If exponentially, the speed of light would have been over 15,000 times faster just less than 50 years ago. If by year, then the speed of light would lose almost 100 billion m/s each year. If that is the case, then next year, the speed of light would be negative next year. When young-earth creationists make the claim that the speed of light had slowed down from 6,000 years ago, not only is this very ad hoc, but the amount of slowing down required is not possible without a bona fide miracle. This implies that God constantly needs to tinker with His creation in order to get it the way that he wants. This is certainly not the impression of God that we get from Scripture who is described as being the completely sovereign and almighty creator of the universe.
Nothing about young-earth creationism holds up to scrutiny. The hermeneutic required is inconsistent, the history of interpretation of Genesis 1-11 must be ignored, the logical conclusions of their scientific claims are impossible, and God is portrayed as a God who must tinker with His own creation to keep it going.

matt's rebuttal:i
n response: Brady I appreciate your cordiality.
"my opponent is most likely selective with how he interprets Genesis 1-11 literally. Genesis 1:6 describes a solid dome that is placed over the earth. My opponent most likely does not believe that there is a solid dome over the earth."
I work hard not to be so. Now when we talk about "Dome" their is a popular meme put out by liberals and flat earthers of a solid glass dome over a flat earth, if that is the case then no.
But I do teach and ice canopy around the globe that faded away after the flood. It could be called a dome.
Being Created by God in the 1st week I am sure God got the math right.
I believe it was upheld my many factors. I am thinking about 15-20 percent of the earths water. (this amount of water lowered the earths weight and therefore it's gravity) The global spin would bring centipedal force to keep it up. The bottum layer would decorated with hydrogen which frozen would take on metallic qualities and also be lifted by the earth's increased electromagnetic field. The higher laters were salty water and ice, melting and freezing according to the solar positioning in the day cycle.
For a longer presentation I suggest my youtube video explaining my view.
The best written defense I have seen of the canopy is by Troy Lawrence. We disagree on some issues but his presentation and His math is brilliant. Origins:The origin of matter space time and life"
"Genesis 1:16 says that the moon produces its own light."
The moon produces light. But it is reflected light. reflected light is a lesser light than the direct light. I don't see where the text is saying that the moon has to generate light internally.
"Also, Genesis 2:4 says that God created the earth in one day, not six days"
Generations in Hebrew is "toledoth" This a record usually placed in tombs as a stone tablet. Moses edited these records under inspiration.
"4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," One issue you will nottice in the masoretic text is that 2:4 also says heavens instead of Genesis 1:1 Heaven. The heavens were split when God separated the waters from the waters."
So it was after that and I would argue that it was the sabbath, because the was the day God was finished creating and the people were ready observe events.
"Also, Genesis 2:5 says that no bushes are anywhere, but Genesis "
Nope, you ignored "before it was in the earth" He is going back in the story to explain something. That would be "for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." he is explaining the mist that was watering the earth and Eden.
"Genesis 2:17 says that on the very day that Adam and Eve eat of the fruit, they will die. However, neither Adam nor Eve died on the day that they ate of the fruit"
They Died spiritual, because they sinned against God. Our life is spiritual when our spirit died we died.
Romans 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."

"God doesn’t tell Cain that only he and his parents are the only other people on the planet, rather God tells Cain He will have vengeance on anyone who kills Cain. Why would God tell him this if Cain and his parents are the only people on the planet?"
In Gen. 1:28, the first commandment to Adam and Eve was to multiply. If Eve only had 2 kids would that would amount to adding. Some Scholars estimate that in 900 years Eve would probably produce 50 children. But many ancient societies started procreating as teenagers. So it is most likely that there several children by this time.
"The next thing that I want to say is that a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 has never been popular within Christianity until within the past 100 years. " you are establishing your case on cherry picked theologians as opposed to poulations.
The fact is that Luther and Calvin were young earth Bible scholars centuries before your timeline. Augustine took gen. 1 symbolically but still held to a young earth understanding of history.
The early church had to struggle with the pagan philosophy of platonism. this philosophy was a double edged sword helping pagans to understand monotheism and some christian similarities but distorting many scriptures Origin was infamous for many of these teachings. That salvation was universal for even the devil and that jesus and the holy spirit were as far from the father as they are from us. reincarnation etc.
The "periods of a thousand years" is likely from the epistle of barnabus which was claiming the 7 days as an eschatology like many dispensationalist today. But that would be an implication and not necessarily a denial of gen 1. literally interpreted in the meaning. many of the famous bishops of the time would have conservative evangelical looking commentaries even thou they would propose more catholic symbolic theologies.
If the limited flood emerged in the 1800's it is obviously motivated by the popular evolution theory.
flood geology was the first view of geology in science and there were proponents around until the early twentieth century. Henry Morris started a revival of this view, he did not invent the concept. By the way, Henry Morris co-operated with 7th day adventist scientists, but he was by no means was he a 7th day adventist. His publishing group was titled "Presbyterian & Reformed" He was a dispensationalist which differs greatly from 7th day adventist. So his crime is accepting the scientific credentials of seventh day adventists. if this is your view then what do you make of D.A. Carsen? He is a brain Surgeon who was awarded 65 honarary doctorates. Should we descriminate against he abilities because of bad theology?
A good book on creation history is here
In response to your problem with light speed.
The basic problem here which I agree that some young earthers are confused about, is the idea Light was already present throughout the universe before the stars were created it did not start in stars. God created the light which was plasma had it already instantaneously spread across the universe and God made the stars from this plasmatic light on day 4.
for more explanation here is a video.
The God of YEC is sovereign and all powerful. The OEC and TE universe is based on a foundation of chaos with no purpose everything has to be an accident with no order.

brady's response
//Now when we talk about "Dome" their is a popular meme put out by liberals and flat earthers of a solid glass dome over a flat earth, if that is the case then no.//
Matt doesn't say anything about why it cannot be that there is a solid dome over the earth. He only uses a fallacy known as poisoning the well to dissuade anyone from thinking that the text says that there is a solid dome over the earth.

//The moon produces light. But it is reflected light.//
The moon cannot produce light if it reflects light. It also cannot reflect light if it produces light. Which one does the moon do?

//So it was after that and I would argue that it was the sabbath, because the was the day God was finished creating and the people were ready observe events.//
I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say. Genesis 1 says that God created the world in six days, but Genesis 2:4 says that it was only one day. It has nothing to do with the generations.

//Nope, you ignored "before it was in the earth" He is going back in the story to explain something.//
But Genesis 2:7-8 says that man was created before plants were created, which is not the order of events presented in Genesis 1.

//They Died spiritual, because they sinned against God. Our life is spiritual when our spirit died we died.//
But that isn't the literal reading of the text. So thanks for admitting that you don't actually read all of Genesis 1-11 literally.

//Augustine took gen. 1 symbolically but still held to a young earth understanding of history.//
My point is that Augustine did not read Genesis 1-11 literally. It doesn't matter how old he thought the earth was.

//The "periods of a thousand years" is likely from the epistle of barnabus which was claiming the 7 days as an eschatology like many dispensationalist today.//
Again with the poisoning the well and unsupported conjectures.

//If the limited flood emerged in the 1800's it is obviously motivated by the popular evolution theory.//
Notice how I said that that interpretation was popular by the mid-1800s? Considering the theory of evolution was developed in the mid-1800's, it is historically false that the limited flood view was influenced by the theory of evolution. Not to mention that you are poisoning the well again.

//flood geology was the first view of geology in science and there were proponents around until the early twentieth century//
Even if there were proponents of this view from the very beginning, a majority of Christian geologists held to the uniformitarianism view of geology.

//His publishing group was titled "Presbyterian & Reformed" He was a dispensationalist which differs greatly from 7th day adventist. So his crime is accepting the scientific credentials of seventh day adventists.//
No, his science was based on theology of a very fringe group of Christianity whose prophetess claimed to have visions of God bringing her back to the flood and creation week.

//God created the light which was plasma had it already instantaneously spread across the universe and God made the stars from this plasmatic light on day 4.//
Which would make the stars and universe seem older than what it actually is, thus making God dishonest.

//The OEC and TE universe is based on a foundation of chaos with no purpose everything has to be an accident with no order.//
This cannot be further from the truth. OECs and TEs still affirm that God created everything in the universe that we see. Thus, we would deny the claim that the universe is purposeless and is an accident.
My response:
the reason the canopy is not a dome that exists today is because the windows of heaven were opened in gen. 8. when jedus ascended to heaven there was no dome. The Old Testament uses "functional language" so modern scientific language for recording was not spelled out, though statements are true scientifically. so the "lesser light" of the moon could be understood as reflective light functionally. In context gen.2:4 dies involve generations. there is no ancient manuscript separating gen.1 from2. and remember the bible was not iriginally written with chaoter and vs divisions. gen. 2:7-8 is referring to the plants in the garden of eden, not on earth. i believe i spoke more previously. gen 2:7 the breath put in man is his spirit. I recollect "ruach" represents breath/wind, blood,spirit. i don't deny that there are figures of speech throughout scripture. Only they muat ashere to the context. Augustines "well" was poisoned before his conversion as a professional heathen platonic philosopher. Evolution preced darwin by his grandfather erasmus and also Lamarck and his school. you have not identified "christian" in your uniformitarian claim, just as most deists were also called christian. The uniformitarians were primitive as they were unaware of water in the russian superdeep bore hole. or the wadseylite and ringwoodite layers containing oceans of water. thus ruining the vulcanist foundation of unuformitarianism. we should pay more attention to scripture when second peter 3 claims only 8 people survived the flood. Before Morris came on the seen ythe british "evolution protest movement" was publicly known in the 1930's and continues to this day. in the 1800's john clark maxwell the founder of electro magnetism was a young earth evangelical. baptist missionary William Carey founded a christians school in india teaching young earth creationism. of course in the early 1800's we see the cult of jehovah's witnesses. there watchtower believes in an old earth so should we paint old earthers with the same brush? God never told us the size of the universe, the light is not a problem with the modern estimation but pop science has not proven the size of the universe and therefore, God is not decieving anyone because interpretations are not necessarily observations. If God orchestrated the evolutionary cosmos then he created catastrophe evil destruction, murder and death with no accountability. sp for instance a fossil of a neaderthal has cancer. God created cancer in that soul with no justifiable cause. Thus evil is part of God's "good" creation. The God of creation made the world "very good" and it was mans actions that brought catastrophe and death. We are not revealed nature in rational propositions, instead we are revealed scripture as a light in the darkness.

Question #1 for brady hornstra:
As a theistic evolutionist it is common to assume that you have a big bang cosmology. As such you would recognize the origins of the theory.
"" Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg".""
But George lemaitre did not actually invent the idea of the "cosmic egg"
"Rigveda (10.121) also mentions the Hiranyagarbha (literally, golden embryo/womb/egg) that existed before the creation. This metaphor has been interpreted differently by the various later texts. The Samkhya texts state that Purusha and the Prakriti made the embryo, from which the world emerged. In another tradition, the creator god Brahma emerged from the egg and created the world, while in yet another tradition the Brahma himself is the Hiranyagarbha.[19]""
In fact the hindu myhtology is extremely similar to the big bang theory.
"" Hindu creationists claim that species of plants and animals are material forms adopted by pure consciousness which live an endless cycle of births and rebirths.[9] Ronald Numbers says that: "Hindu Creationists have insisted on the antiquity of humans, who they believe appeared fully formed as long, perhaps, as trillions of years ago."[10] Hindu creationism is a form of old earth creationism. According to Hindu creationists the universe may even be older than billions of years. These views are based on the Vedas which depict an extreme antiquity of the universe and history of the earth.[11][12]"

Now If the big bang is true then the hindus had a more clear revelation of it than the scriptures.
SO how could the apostle Paul warn people about false teachers turning to Fables (2Timothy 4:3) when apparently the fables would be revealing more truth than the scriptures?

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Nate WernerGroup Admin Matt, this is TOO long. Please refrain from monologuing.
Nate WernerGroup Admin You need to refine your question"

Now If the big bang is true then the hindus had a more clear revelation of it than the scriptures.
SO how could the apostle Paul warn people about false teachers turning to Fables (2Timothy 4:3) when apparently the fables would be revealing more truth than the scriptures?

Brady Hornstra First, your question seems to suggest that scientific accuracy of the Bible is more important than theological accuracy. Second, 2 Timothy 4:3 says that people will leave sound doctrine for teachings that they want to hear. Considering the Big Bang Theory is a scientific theory and not a doctrine, it does not relate in the slightest to the verse you provided.
Matt SIngleton Genesis 9:4 teaches the life is in the blood. From here we see the development of the blood used in the doctrine of blood atonement. If this is not literally the case, then why is blood atonement necessary?
Brady Hornstra This question suggests that if something isn't literal, then there aren't even theological truths behind it, which is totally false. Even though I reject Genesis 1-11 as a literal history, I affirm it as theologically true.
Matt SIngleton
Matt SIngleton Brady Hornstra then answer the question as to why it is theologically true.
Brady Hornstra Can you be more specific and have a question?
Matt SIngleton
Matt SIngleton " If this is not literally the case, then why is blood atonement necessary?" If you can't answer my question, then I can ask the next question.

Brady Hornstra I don't have a specific answer. However, what I can tell you is that literal and true should not be equated as you are doing."
Matt SIngleton question 3: A key component of evolution is random processes. If God is in charge of the universe, and the universe operates randomly then it is often assumed that God operating would not upon nature, instead his operations would be nature itself. This lead the father of theistic evolution Pierre Teilhard De Chardon to accept pantheism. Do you disagree or agree with his conclusions? Explain why.
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Nate WernerGroup Admin That question is not fair game. This debate is not about pantheism.
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Matt SIngleton Nate Werner False false false! he is representing theistic evolution. it is about theistic evolution.
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Nate WernerGroup Admin Matt SIngleton, who is moderating this debate?
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Matt SIngleton I want answers
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Nate WernerGroup Admin Then ask questions that are on topic. This is your only warning.
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Brady Hornstra Actually, I would challenge the claim that a key component of evolution is random. There is a view of evolutionary biology known as convergent evolution, which suggests that evolution is guided by laws of nature and is not random."
Matt SIngleton question 4: Does general revelation (in reason and nature) give you answers superior to those of special revelation from scripture?
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Brady Hornstra No, but if general revelation never makes us wonder if our interpretations are correct, we are doing something wrong.
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Matt SIngleton Question 5: Neanderthal fossils have been found with a diagnosis of cancer. Many many thousands of years before any Garden of Eden. theologically this implies that God caused design problem(cancer) to kill humanoids before there was a choice over Sin and thus make God the author of Evil. How do you theologically reconcile this?
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Brady Hornstra First of all, the way you word it implies that God wants to kill some of His creation, so I reject the negative connotations that your question has.

Secondly, God describes His creation as "good," but we assume without even realizing it that He means that creation was perfect. Many scholars have suggested that "good" has a closer meaning to "functions well" rather than "is perfect." Plus, non-YECs tend to believe that Satan fell before creation week, thus meaning that evil existed before humans did.


Brady Hornstra 1. What would convince you that Genesis 1-11 does not need to be interpreted literally?
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Matt SIngleton The Scripture teaching that Genesis 1 is not meant to be taken according to it's context or specifically saying what it is referring to "thou word really means evolution" etc.
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Brady Hornstra 2. Were the ancient Hebrews more concerned with correct science or correct worldview?
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Matt SIngleton The ancient Hebrews did not author the Scriptures, God did. The ancient people were concerned with unity. The same language, the same philosophy, government, art culture etc.
Science was not divorced from world view because they must all form a unified truth. They were not like the pagan gnostics who divide spirit and material. The reason the gnostics and platonist made this divide is because mythology was defeated and so the philosophers had a separate truth of logic. But logic needed history and so the philosophers submitted to judaism and Christianity. Which had the revealed word of God in the scriptures. hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. "
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Brady Hornstra That doesn't even address my question.
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Matt SIngleton Brady Hornstra they would be concerned with both and did not expect God to be divided about the truth.
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Brady Hornstra I asked which they were *more* concerned with
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Matt SIngleton Brady Hornstra you set the principle of claiming questions were malformed. you are putting a false dicotomy. I explained the answer.
Let's move onto the next question.
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Brady Hornstra 3. If the world was proven to be billions of years old and evolution was proven to be true, what impact would that have on your faith?
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Matt SIngleton Brady Hornstra I had accepted the principles of theistic evolution as a pre-teen through teenager. So I believe I would continue my philosophy of that time.
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Brady Hornstra 4. What do you consider to be the biggest piece of evidence against YEC?
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Matt SIngleton If we are talking about YEC as a movement, the starlight problem is historically been used the most. There are many answers now and I am convinced that my cosmology hypothesis exhausted this topic. {look at articles and/or videos linked in long description.
As far as the bible there were some good arguments from the gap theory.
the problem for mainstream creationists is that they hold to galacto-centrism which it would take 225million years for the sun to rotate aound the milky way.

Brady Hornstra But you didn't say what *you* think is the biggest piece of evidence
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Matt SIngleton Could you specify whether this is the mainstream YEC or my YEC ?
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Brady Hornstra I guess your YEC
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Matt SIngleton The age of tree's and the challenge of an LXX chronology.
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Brady Hornstra 5. Do you think there is any validity to the claim that Genesis 1-11 was primarily a criticism of ancient Near Eastern paganism, and not primarily a historical chronology?
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 Matt SIngleton Moses edition of Genesis was probably arranged in opposition to the pagan culture. But history is the primary concern of the toledoth stones which moses had used. more importantly Christ's genealogy in luke is tied to the genesis genology along with king David in Chronicles. If the genealogy is not accurate then the Supremacy of not only David but Christ himself is up for debate. If the Sovereignty of Christ is in Question then so is the Sovereignty of God. If Jesus is the truth, his origins must be true. So God is concerned with providing the truth in scripture. Because if the pagans were right about History then we are rebelling against their truth and we have no right to criticize them.