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Sunday, September 6, 2015
When we look upon the LXX, we have to ask "Is this culture a godly culture that the Lord would deem fit to preserve His words, more so than the Israeli Hebrews?" Genesis 10: 6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan."
10:13-1413 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 and Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim."
Egypt or Mizraim was born from the line of Ham. Ham was the troublemaking Son of Noah. Some of those descendants such as Canaan, Babylon and Egypt would
Genesis 12:1010 And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land.
Abraham only went there because of the force of a famine.
Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation"Genesis 21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.
Genesis 26:1 And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar. 2 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 and I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
Genesis 37: 25 And they sat down to eat bread: and they lifted up their eyes and looked, and, behold, a company of Ishmeelites came from Gilead with their camels bearing spicery and balm and myrrh, going to carry it down to Egypt.
26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.
28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt.
sell him into slavery. Do they take him to their home in Arabia? No, they take him to Egypt.
Genesis 46:3 And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation: 4 I will go down with thee into Egypt; and I will also surely bring thee up again: and Joseph shall put his hand upon thine eyes.
Genesis 47:29 And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:
Israel hoped for restoration from God. Therefore, he hoped that he would get to be buried first foremost not in Egypt but in his homeland.
Ezekiel 29:13 Yet thus saith the Lord God; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: 14 and I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. 15 It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations. 16 And it shall be no more the confidence of the house of Israel, which bringeth their iniquity to remembrance, when they shall look after them: but they shall know that I am the Lord God.
and thou art as a whale in the seas:
and thou camest forth with thy rivers,
and troubledst the waters with thy feet,
and fouledst their rivers.
3 Thus saith the Lord God;
I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people;
and they shall bring thee up in my net.
4 Then will I leave thee upon the land,
I will cast thee forth upon the open field,
and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee,
and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.
5 And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains,
and fill the valleys with thy height.
6 I will also water with thy blood
the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains;
and the rivers shall be full of thee.
Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord,that take counsel, but not of me;and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit,that they may add sin to sin:
2 that walk to go down into Egypt,
and have not asked at my mouth;
to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
3 Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame,
and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.
4 For his princes were at Zoan,
and his ambassadors came to Hanes.
5 They were all ashamed of a people that could not profit them,
nor be an help nor profit,
but a shame, and also a reproach.
from whence come the young and old lion,
the viper and fiery flying serpent,
they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses,
and their treasures upon the bunches of camels,
to a people that shall not profit them.
7 For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose:
therefore have I cried concerning this,
Their strength is to sit still.
that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 that this is a rebellious people, lying children,
children that will not hear the law of the Lord:
10 which say to the seers, See not;
and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things,
speak unto us smooth things,
11 get you out of the way,
turn aside out of the path,
cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel,
Because ye despise this word,
and trust in oppression and perverseness,
and stay thereon:
13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall,
swelling out in a high wall,
whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters’ vessel that is broken in pieces;
he shall not spare:
so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it
a sherd to take fire from the hearth,
or to take water withal out of the pit.
15 For thus saith the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel;
In returning and rest shall ye be saved;
in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength:
and ye would not.
16 But ye said, No; for we will flee upon horses;
therefore shall ye flee:
and, We will ride upon the swift;
therefore shall they that pursue you be swift.
2 As they called them, so they went from them:
they sacrificed unto Baalim,
and burned incense to graven images.
3 I taught Ephraim also to go,
taking them by their arms;
but they knew not that I healed them.
4 I drew them with cords of a man,
with bands of love:
and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws,
and I laid meat unto them.
but the Assyrian shall be his king,
because they refused to return.
6 And the sword shall abide on his cities,
and shall consume his branches, and devour them,
because of their own counsels.
7 And my people are bent to backsliding from me:
though they called them to the most High,
none at all would exalt him.
'If Christianity was taken to Egypt by the middle first century,' Writes C. Wilfred Griggs in his authoritative Early Egyptian Christianity, 'an inexplicable silence in Christian sources concerning leaders of the movement and development of the church over the next 125 to 150 years is probably unique in the history of Christianity ..." pg. 201
"so what happened? Were the Christians and Gnostics in keen dispute during these missing years? There is no evidence of it. One theory is that the Story of Mark 's Evangelism in alexandria is a myth. and that Christianity came to the city later from an unknown source." Pg. 202 The Christians: Their
Even the LXX bears witness tot he fact that Greek Translations are not proper for preservation. In the forward to Ecclesiasticus/Sirach "for the Hebrew words have not the same force in them when translated into another tongue. And not only these, but the law also itself, and the prophets, and the rest of the books, have no small difference, when they are spoken in their own language."
Faith in the LXX being produced before the Christian era is based mainly on "The letter to Aristeas". However this document has been historically proved fallacious for the following reasons. The date of the letter is usually dated in the second century B.C. (The International Bible Standard Encyclopedia suggested a date around 100-80 B.C. pg.2724) which is a out 150 years after the LXX was supposed to be translated. This letter is also historically inaccurate in that it names Demetrius of Phalerum (345-283B.C.) as a member of the court and keeper of Ptolemy Philadelphus' library (285-247 B.C.) since Demetrius spent the last part of his life in the court of Ptolemy Soter not Philadelphus. In fact, Demetrius was banished by Philadelphus! The final historical blunder of this document is that "It happens to be the anniversary of our naval victory over Antigonus." This could either be referring to defeat at the battle of cos (260 B. C.) or an actual victory in 245B.C. Either which way both of these events took place decades
after Demetrius death. Modern scholars tend to recognize the inaccuracy of this letter.
"The Septuagint was the earliest Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. According to The letter of Aristeas, it was translated by seventy-two translators in Alexandria under Pharoah Ptolemy 11 (285-247 B.C.). The letter of Aristeas, however, appears to have
While there is no doubt that LXX had sold itself well to medieval Christendom. It was never
I don't have a problem with the passages of the Old Testament being translated into Greek or any other language. Yet is there any evidence that an entire body of material such as the LXX legitimately existed at that time? Why have a body of work with a false canon in the wrong language be considered superior at preserving the text more accurately than the Hebrew and claim to be the text of Jesus and the apostles?
"What we commonly referred to as the LXX ' version is the more stereotyped form which they assumed as result of the work of ...scholars (notably Origen). Therefore, when we say that NT writers quote from LXX, this does nor imply that we can check their quotations by reference to a comemporary LXX norm (except, to some degree, for quotations from the Pentateuch)."
If we have no manuscripts of the Septuagint prior to Codex Vaticanus and the Alexandrian Text,
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Pete Williams has been a graduate student at the University of Cambridge, England, where he has received an M.A. (Cantab.) in Classics and Hebrew, and an M.Phil. In Hebrew Studies, and has a Ph.D. on the Syriac (Peshitta) translation of the Old Testament. At time of writing, he was carrying out post-doctoral research on weapons in Ancient Hebrew at the Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge..(author of AIG article, not the chapter)
Greek of lxx inferior to the Hebrew OT
Son of Sirach 1:c "I entreat you therefore to come with benevolence, and to read with attention, and to pardon us for those things wherein we may seem, while we follow the image of wisdom, to come short in the composition of words; for the Hebrew words have not the same force in them when translated into another tongue. And not only these, but the law also itself, and the prophets, and the rest of the books, have no small difference, when they are spoken in their own language."
gap (proven by apocrypha in 1Maccabees)
There had been a ceasing of the prophets
“There had not been such great distress in Israel since the time prophets ceased to appear among the people” 1 Macc. 9:27
There currently was no prophet
“They stored the stones in a suitable place on the temple hill, until a prophet should come and decided what to do with them” 1 Macc. 4:46
They were waiting for a prophet
“The Jewish people and their priest have, therefore, made the following decisions. Simon shall be their permanent leader and high priest until a true prophet of God arises.” 1 Macc. 14:41