Wednesday, October 30, 2019

A Calvinist argues that "world" means believers only

A Calvinist post the definitions of world and to support his views on limited atonement argues that world means the elect only.
"10.The elect only/Believers.

  • John 6:33: "For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world."
  • The world in this sense is the elect, the chosen of God. Jesus did not give life to everyone in the world, if He did then everyone in the world would be saved. This would be universalism and that is not biblical. Jesus specifically redeemed those who would believe in Him. As John 3:17 says, "For God did not send the Son into the [human] world to judge the [Jew and Gentile] world, but that the [elect] world might be saved through Him."
  • Also, John 6:51: "The bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."" My response:
John 6 NEVER EVER MENTIONS THE WORD ELECT.
THE WORLD IS THE SAME WORLD PERIOD
LIMITED ATONEMENT IS UNBIBICAL FALSE TEACHING!If Jesus did not give life to the world then the damned would never be resurrected.
John 5:29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
That's John saying that.

God did not fail!
if unbelievers are "darkened in their understanding and excluded from the life of God," (Eph 4:18), "dead in their transgressions and uncircumcision of their flesh, (Col 2:13), and in the end they are thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev 20:14), Jesus did not come to give them life.

2 Corinthians 2:15-16 says, "For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life."

Unbelievers are no way, under any circumstances given life from Jesus. They are a constant aroma of death.
interesting...
So you claim that all saints are spiritually dead and they receive spiritual life prior to that. but now you claim...
"Unbelievers are no way, under any circumstances given life from Jesus."
So which is it? Are you giving up "regeneration precedes faith"
or are you giving up limited atonement?

Besides you ARE committing the logical fallacy of bait-n-switch.
The topic of resurrection is exclusively about physical resurrection. Otherwise you are giving in to liberals who claim the resurrection to be spiritual.
No this is not the topic of regeneration, and you should know better.

"Jesus did not come to give them life."
Matthew 18:11
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."
Who is the lost?
2 Cor. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. "
Both these passages refer to Satan in contradiction with Christ over the state of mankind. Satan blinds the lost.  As Shown previously Christ came to save the Lost which is the world blinded by Satan and Christ counters Satan by giving life and life more abundantly. Both these passages refer to Satan in contradiction with Christ over the state of mankind. Satan blinds the lost. As Shown previously Christ came to save the Lost which is the world blinded by Satan and Christ counters Satan by giving life and life more abundantly.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction"
How many lords are there?
Eph. 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,"

Now the unbelievers rejected the offer of salvation and so they are getting the recompense for their sins but the second death is not annihilation because they were given resurrected bodies So the fires burn for eternity.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Now your objections of universalism are absolutely frivolous. Because God's Will was not forced universalism in a forced utopia. it was an offer.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

It is time you submit to the Word of God as the Apostle Paul commands you.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.11 These things command and teach."

Calvinist response:  you are so far off topic that you're lost in space. And I've told you before, stop machine-gunning the posts with so much content. You don't need to copy and paste all that scripture, you can simply cite the chapter and verse. If you want to have a discussion, I'm more than willing, but you have to remain on topic and be concise.

This was a couple weeks ago and therefore the final response.








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