Monday, March 27, 2017

Breakdown of the failed biblesmack-southern Israelite debate over the canon of scripture and the deity of Christ.


Matthew Singleton1 month ago Drake has left the authority of scripture. ( at least last time I check, his theology has changed many times) He questions the canon. He thinks that the book of Jasher and at least some of the apocrypha should be added, while the bookof james should be detracted and that there is a mysterious Hebrew New Testament which no one I know of exists. Therefore he can't logically hold to innerrancy as he is unsure what is innerrant. 


Southern Israelite Southern Israelite6 days ago Then debate me Matt. Let's do a google hangout debate and you can correct me. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite6 days ago How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago Sure. I don't know much about how to do google hangout so I will need assistance there. It is your domain so you can set up the rules. of course let's be honest, you have no intention of seeking correction. But why let that stop us? 




Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago How about Monday in the morning? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago We are all sure that some books are errant. But the bible has to be without error if is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible. Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago mslv4gd@yahoo.com 


Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago "So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible."
>>>You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. I'm not correcting the Bible. I'm rejecting books that do not belong in the Bible. The New Testament takes the Law and the Prophets as being a matrix standard. James is taking us back to the Sinai covenant which Jeremiah precludes. Thus James is out. Jude and 2 Peter talk about an underground chamber where angels are chained up and partaking of divine nature. The Law and the Prophets know nothing of this. These are parameters completely missing from the Law and the Prophets. The rest is good. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago You need a gmail account to get on google hangouts. Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago So are you committing to Monday or no? 

Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago ok

 Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago So because you have a doctrinal problem with Jude and second peter you assume you are more authoritative than them.... Where does the book of james say "Sinai covenant"? 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago "How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant?" "But the bible has to be without error if it is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible." 

"You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. " No, you simply failed to receive the answer. 

Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago I have to check with work tomorrow concerning my schedule however. let me get a hold of you tomarrow to confirm.

Southern Israelite5 days ago Yes, and I am more authoritative than the Catholic Church that defined these book as Canonical which said authority you have accepted. I am more authoritative than the Catholic Church based on the books and articles I have written that refutes this Church. That is the Protestant doctrine of private judgment which you have rejected and remain disobedient to your Catholic masters. The Catholic church then has every right to Inquisition you. "Where does the book of james say "Sinai covenant"?" >>>It says the definition of that covenant: James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. You cannot accept this passage and Paul the apostle. It is one or the other. And I say that because I am 37 years old having over 30 years of experience speaking English and the English statement "by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" means the exact opposite than "16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Gal. 2:16
Southern Israelite5 days ago ""How does it follow that if I am sure some books are errant that I don;t know what is inerrant?" "But the bible has to be without error if it is from God. if we believe in sola scriptura then the scriptures can not undermined by a man made authority. So if you want to correct the Bible then how can you do that? you need a perfect bible to reveal a flawed Bible." 

"You did not answer my question and you deliberately didn't. " 

No, you simply failed to receive the answer." >>>You didn't answer the question Matt. See if you are going to ignore what I'm saying then this is a waste of time. 


Matthew Singleton Matthew Singleton5 days ago The catholic church does not matter this book was recognized by the montanists and several churches prior to Constantine. More importantly they were preserved by God even though the Catholics burned multitude of copies. Just because you are having trouble with it with your cultic theology. Does not mean that it is a problem for real disciples of the word. the subject of james is not salvation. It is religion. james 1: 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." Paul's revelation was later regarding salvation and his revelation unique. Ephesians 3: 3 how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" galatians is referring to justification before God.... "19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." "But james in talking religion is focused on justifying our faith as genuine before Man. james 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. " See this is a flashback from all that reformed refer you been smokin. you couldn't figure out that because James was before Paul that perhaps he was not commenting on Paul. You probably only use the word justification with it's salvific application. is that the subject here in luke? Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. " You see if you understood dispensationalism maybe then you would rightly divide the word of God and be able to believe it. 

Southern Israelite Southern Israelite5 days ago "The catholic church does not matter this book was recognized by the montanists and several churches prior to Constantine." >>>Yes it does. The Catholic Church defined what you believe to be the canon. And that is just a fact. "More importantly they were preserved by God even though the Catholics burned multitude of copies." >>>The Koran survives until today. The Talmud has been preserved until today. So what? "Just because you are having trouble with it with your cultic theology." >>No I refuted these books. And I already gave you the arguments which you cannot answer and so you're trying manipulation. "Does not mean that it is a problem for real disciples of the word. the subject of james is not salvation. It is religion." >>>Justification is not salvation? You are a complete liar Matt. You're lying and you know it. Walk in front of traffic now. Your life is a disease on this earth. I cite again: James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is JUSTIFIED, and not by faith only. You are a piece of $@# Matt. Your life is a waste of oxygen. You are liar. You know you are a liar. And I know you are a liar, more than that you know I know you are a liar. You just cannot face the life consequences that will come upon you for following me to the truth. My path is a dark and rugged one that only few people can follow and you clearly aren't cut out for it. So keep living those lies Matt and I'll be praying imprecations of your lying %#$.

Matthew Singleton5 days ago
Ahh I see why you reject the book of James LOL!!!
anyway I am sure you will probably reject more books like Matthew.
Matthew 25: 41 Then
shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: "

Romans 3: 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 and the way of peace have they not known: 18 there is no fear of God before their eyes. "

1 corinthians 5:11 But
now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is
called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a
railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to
eat. " nottice the term railer. that is what you are doing.

Anyways I am not going to fight you.

you invited me to a debate, if you are a man of your word then we will focus on that and accomplish the task.
Southern Israelite
Southern Israelite4 days ago
"Ahh I see why you reject the book of James LOL!!!
anyway I am sure you will probably reject more books like Matthew.
Matthew 25: 41 Then
shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ""

>>>Not replies to anything I said.

"1 corinthians 5:11 But
now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is
called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a
railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to
eat. " nottice the term railer. that is what you are doing."

>>>I am none of those things. You can;t answer my arguments so you're trying to browbeat me.

"you invited me to a debate, if you are a man of your word then we will focus on that and accomplish the task."

>>>Yep.

 
Matthew Singleton
Matthew Singleton4 days ago
"Actually it is a reply to your justification proposition on removing 2 Peter and Jude as canon because they teach of an underworld holding place for demons. Obviously the gospel of Matthew teaches this as well. So your slippery slope will continue as you have chained your self to the authority of textual criticism.

"I am none of those things. You can;t answer my arguments so you're trying to browbeat me. "
Actually you are guilty of railing. By your Cussing and using foul language to demonize me as inhumane because I gave an argument that you had yet to refute. Also in an earlier video which I refuted, you bragged about drinking vodka on the sabbath. Vodka being 99% proof is not drinking in moderation but drunkiness.
As far as "browbeating". The lord loves those he chastens. 🙂

UPDATE: i HAVE GOTTEN OFF WORK IN ORDER TO BE READY FOR THE DEBATE MONDAY..

Drake Email me your rules and instructions for getting on Google plus and that should be enough.
                                                         NOW THE CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK...
Matt
I forgot you had the page. We can discuss the terms of the debate here if you are more comfortable that way.
Since you are working the Google hangout, you may take the lead in determining the rules and timing.

my position on the trinity is that of a New Testament Christian simple trinity.
I do not hold fidelity to the catholic creeds. I hold to the authority of the scriptures, perfectly preserved in the hebrew Masoretic text and the Textus Receptus. And complete and excellently translated in the Authorized Version.
you may look up my articles and confession yourself or request any articles if needed.

we did a fine job producing our debate years ago and I hope we can moave forward in this encounter.
Thu 4:43am
So what time on Monday?
 

 southern israelite:
I mean it looks like we are going to have to start from the logical beginning with scripture and canon issues and then we can move to the doctrine of God.
Thu 8:44am


Matt Singleton
I agree. I guess 10Am sounds like a good time.
Alright I'll schedule it.
good.
So what is google hangout like?
Thu 1:52pm



Southern Israelite

I will need a gmail address from you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ge9t5U847c&t=39s
Instruction Video For Coming Round-Table on Saturdays
Sabbath Round-table Instructions: 1. Make Sure you have a strong internet signal as well as a good headset with microphone and headphones. Go into your "play...
youtube.com
Thu 2:56pm
 

Matt Singleton
mslv4gd@yahoo.com
apparently that is how I get into my google account.
Fri 12:39am






Southern Israelite
What game are you playing matt? I'm going to ask one more time. I need a gmail account in order to get you on this hangout so you either give me one or the event is canceled.
Fri 3:56am
 

Matt Singleton
biblesmackradio@gmail.com
I apologize drake this just unfamiliar territory
 

Ok then
Sun 10:11pm
 


Matt Singleton
alright. I just purchased a headset.

how long is the debate to last?
will it go onto youtube? Would you like me to advertise it?






Southern Israelite
However long we go

Yes on youtube
Do what you like
 

Matt Singleton
ok.
8:55am
 

how is it going?
I am still focused n the debate this morning. But someone stole my wheel in the drivers side rear of my car
 



I just want some confirmation, is everything prepared on your end?
 


 Siuthern Israelite
Yes







Matt  Singleton
ok. a little nervous trying a new format. hoping everything works



Southern Israelite
You totally wasted my morning matt dont expect another hearing from me goodbye


Matt Singleton
basically ####### intended to give me the gmail account. However he put his phone number in it.
I apologize. I understand your frustration. But I actually had to give a lot of my time to this and I had to spend money buying equipment for it. I think the situation can be remedied though.

ok, So I have a new gmail account. ##########@gmail.com

I know emotions run high. So I will give you 24hrs to figure out if you still want to debate me at a later time.




I posted my side of the debate on youtube 2 days later.

I notticed some peculiarities  with this dialogue.

What is really motivating Drakes rejection?  I admit there were problems on my end which confessed to before we even scheduled the event. However....

1.Drake challenged me to a debate. probably avenging the fact that he he backed out on his debate against Eric Jon Phelps.

2.  He is quick to want to come up with an excuse to back out as seen by his tempermental reactions.

3. at the end of his instructional video he promises to post the next scheduled event on his blog.  Well he never did that and he had all weekend.

4. The morning of it took him 2 hrs to respond to me. I was starting to assume that he was going to back out.

5.  I explained the problem an my end and provided a solution, He did not respond.

6.   he agreed to do the canon debate even though he backed out on EJP for that very reason.


7.  He in fact never responded even though he was the challenger.


The Southern Israelite is not serious as he claims about these things but is being strategics.  Much like a recent video where he ambushed an elderly country preacher in a gotcha video moment much like the scene from the movie "God's not dead"

He is only fighting fights that put training wheels on his bicycle.


If He wants to debate me or anyone serious he could. But he won't

he says " My path is a dark and rugged one that only few people can follow"
But scripture says.... 1 thess. 5:
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

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