bible contenders and the flood

 meme what you say or say what you meme!!!

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Now we have strong language in this meme but do the have any base?  First of all, the error claimed is not by he typical billions of years of evolution.  Now certainly bible believing Christians should not concede to this accusation.  But at this stage of history the only need to use this type of multi-aeon history is because of the insecurity of a multi billion year earth/universe. Western academia uses anthropology to interpret history according to evolutionary beliefs.
"The word anthropology itself tells the basic story. From the Greek anthropos (“human”) and logia (“study”), it is the study of humankind, from its beginnings millions of years ago to the present day."

 "As a field, anthropology brings an explicit, evolutionary approach to the study of human behavior. Each of anthropology’s four main subfields—sociocultural, biological, archaeology, linguistic anthropology—acknowledges that Homo has a long evolutionary history that must be studied if one is to know what it means to be a human being."http://www.bu.edu/anthrop/about/what-is-anthropology/
" Specifically, some of the areas that you might need to think about as a Christian archaeologist or anthropologist are the central tenets of these disciplines: cultural relativism, human evolution and the role of the material world in constructing human identity."http://www.bethinking.org/your-studies/studying-anthropology-and-archaeology"

Archaeology and anthropology are soft sciences
 "Roughly speaking, the natural sciences are considered "hard", whereas the social sciences are usually described as "soft".^{[3]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science}

 "The main social sciences include economics, political science, human geography, demography and sociology. In a wider sense, social science also includes some fields in the humanities^[1] such as anthropology, archaeology, jurisprudence, psychology, history, and linguistics."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science

Soft science is often overestimated.

(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp

(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp

 Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp

(Phys.org) —Researchers have found that authors of "soft science" research papers tend to overstate results more often than researchers in other fields. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Daniele Fanelli and John Ioannidis write that the worst offenders are in the United States.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-overestimate-soft-science-resultsus-worst.html#jCp

 The methods used to obtain information about the past are archaeology and history

"History

History is interpretation of the past in the words of a historian. It is a scholarly study of what happened in the past without being judgmental or subjective. The main job of a historian is to record the information and facts based upon narratives of the past and recollect the entire sequence of events without getting biased. History starts from the time when writing was invented and people started to keep records of events occurring at that time. Events belonging to a period before history are termed as prehistory and include events and people that are beyond the scope of history as it cannot be verified. History includes authentic information about the past as and when it happened (and also why).
 

Archeology

Archeology is a field of study that tries to unearth (literally) information about the past by digging up artifacts and analyzing them to recollect sequence of events of that time. In this sense it is close to history though archeological findings can never be as authentic as fact contained in history as they are based upon narratives written by the people from the past whereas there is no such evidence in support of archeological artifacts and archeologists often try to string together loose ends on the basis of their experience.

What is the difference between History and Archaeology?

Ancient civilizations that do not even find a mention in history are recollected with the help of artifacts and fossils that are dug up in any archeological survey. Archeology is a search whereas history is a recollection of the past on the basis of narratives written by people of the past. This is one big difference that separates history from archeology though both attempt to unravel the past for us. Archeology is also history in the sense that archeologists try to surmise about what must have happened in the past basing their conclusions upon artifacts they dig up. This is intelligent guesswork but history is all facts and information that is already there and just needs to be written in a new perspective and style." http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-history-and-vs-archaeology/

     a. do any of these civilizations have a consistent history to the beginning of time?
of course not, they were seen as inaccurate mythologies.


Sumer
"The earliest record of the Sumerian creation myth, called The Eridu Genesis by historian Thorkild Jacobsen,^[1] is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur. It is written in the Sumerian language and dated to around 1600 BC.^[1] Other Sumerian creation myths from around this date are called the Barton Cylinder, the Debate between sheep and grain and the Debate between Winter and Summer, also found at Nippur.^{[2]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth
 http://www-lib.haifa.ac.il/www/art/babel.html}

"Biblically, the mainstays of Nimrods Empire were Babel, Erech and Akkad (Agade), all of them in the land of Shinar. Shinar is (biblical ancient Sumer), Akkad was the capital of the later Akkadian empire, (that city is still to be located). Biblical Erech is Uruk, and Babel, as we have seen, originally referred to Eridu."
http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Sumer_Iraq_1a.htm







c.The Bible gives the origins of the ancient civilizations



Babylonian flood conspiracy: So many critics have actually argued that the jews learned of the babylonians Gilgamesh epic and inserted a similar story in the Bible.
This would mean that a conspiracy over half of Old Testament history had been conducted.  Was the Story of Noah's Ark implanted in the bible?
Isaiah 54:9
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me:
for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth;
so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10
For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed;
but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed,
saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee."
Traditional Bible History has Isaia writing and prophesying before the Babylonian captivity.  So this shoulod prove it.  But many skepticsgive the bible less than a fair amount of credbility.

However, we can establish archaeological credibility of the OT writers before the  babylonian captivity of the jews.
"Few modern Biblical archaeology discoveries have caused as much excitement as the Tel Dan inscription—writing on a ninth-century B.C. stone slab (or stela) that furnished the first historical evidence of King David from the Bible.
The Tel Dan inscription, or “House of David” inscription, was discovered in 1993 at the site of Tel Dan in northern Israel in an excavation directed by Israeli archaeologist Avraham Biran."http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/the-tel-dan-inscription-the-first-historical-evidence-of-the-king-david-bible-story/
David was the author of psalms and he wrote in the 10th century B.C.
Did David write of Moses and the history of exodus?


Psalm 105: Remember his marvellous works that he hath done;
his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
⁶ O ye seed of Abraham his servant,
ye children of Jacob his chosen.

⁷ He is the Lord our God:
his judgments are in all the earth.
⁸ He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
⁹ Which covenant he made with Abraham,
and his oath unto Isaac;
¹⁰ and confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
¹¹ saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan,
the lot of your inheritance:
¹² when they were but a few men in number;
yea, very few, and strangers in it.

¹³ When they went from one nation to another,
from one kingdom to another people;
¹⁴ he suffered no man to do them wrong:
yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
¹⁵ saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm.
¹⁶ Moreover he called for a famine upon the land:
he brake the whole staff of bread.
¹⁷ He sent a man before them,
even Joseph, who was sold for a servant:
¹⁸ whose feet they hurt with fetters:
he was laid in iron:
¹⁹ until the time that his word came:
the word of the Lord tried him.
²⁰ The king sent and loosed him;
even the ruler of the people, and let him go free.
²¹ He made him lord of his house,
and ruler of all his substance:
²² to bind his princes at his pleasure;
and teach his senators wisdom.
²³ Israel also came into Egypt;
and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
²⁴ And he increased his people greatly;
and made them stronger than their enemies.
²⁵ He turned their heart to hate his people,
to deal subtilly with his servants.

²⁶ He sent Moses his servant;
and Aaron whom he had chosen.
²⁷ They shewed his signs among them,
and wonders in the land of Ham.
²⁸ He sent darkness, and made it dark;
and they rebelled not against his word.
²⁹ He turned their waters into blood,
and slew their fish.
³⁰ Their land brought forth frogs in abundance,
in the chambers of their kings.
³¹ He spake, and there came divers sorts of flies,
and lice in all their coasts.
³² He gave them hail for rain,
and flaming fire in their land.
³³ He smote their vines also and their fig trees;
and brake the trees of their coasts.
³⁴ He spake, and the locusts came,
and caterpillers, and that without number,
³⁵ and did eat up all the herbs in their land,
and devoured the fruit of their ground.
³⁶ He smote also all the firstborn in their land,
the chief of all their strength.

³⁷ He brought them forth also with silver and gold:
and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.
³⁸ Egypt was glad when they departed:
for the fear of them fell upon them.
³⁹ He spread a cloud for a covering;
and fire to give light in the night.
⁴⁰ The people asked, and he brought quails,
and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.
⁴¹ He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out;
they ran in the dry places like a river.
⁴² For he remembered his holy promise,
and Abraham his servant.
⁴³ And he brought forth his people with joy,
and his chosen with gladness:
⁴⁴ and gave them the lands of the heathen:
and they inherited the labour of the people;
⁴⁵ that they might observe his statutes, and keep his laws."

   In this psalm david records the jewish history found in genesis and exodus. Thus moses is a historical Character and his books are historical.

The psalms have tons of testimony concerning the torah.

psalm 119: ⁵⁰ They draw nigh that follow after mischief:
they are far from thy law.
¹⁵¹ Thou art near, O Lord;
and all thy commandments are truth.
¹⁵² Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old
that thou hast founded them for ever."

Moses exodus is connected to genesis as we see the connection between the law and creation.  Exodus 20: ⁸ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ⁹ Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: ¹⁰ but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: ¹¹ for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."  
Typology of Moses

Exodus 2: ³ And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river’s brink. ⁴ And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him.
⁵ And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river’s side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. ⁶ And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews’ children. ⁷ Then said his sister to Pharaoh’s daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? ⁸ And Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child’s mother. ⁹ And Pharaoh’s daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. ¹⁰ And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh’s daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water."

Moses birth has typology which leads back to Noah and the Ark The fact he was in an ark constructed with pitch and being in the water.  In fact Moses name is not a hebrew name but an Egyptian word for water. Thus he is a historic character. More importantly his narative is based in the assumption of the fact of the Noahic flood.




mesopatamians) Acts 7:7 Then said the high priest, Are these things so? ² And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,"







Egypt

 "Below is from a stone tablet from a tomb (discovered in 1850) of a wealthy Yemenite woman who died during the Egyptian famine recorded in Genesis 41. This tablet confirms the biblical account of Joseph’s careful management of Egyptian food reserves during the 7 years of famine in Egypt. “In they name O God, the God of Hamyar,
I Tajah, the daughter of Dzu Shefar, sent my steward to
Joseph,
And he delaying to return to me, I sent my hand maid
With a measure of silver, to bring me back a measure of

flour:
And not being able to procure it, I sent her with a measure of gold:
And not being able to procure it, I sent her with a measure of pearls:
And not being able to procure it, I commanded them to be ground:
And finding no profit in them, I am shut up here.
Whosoever may hear of it, let him commiserate me;
And should any woman adorn herself with an ornament
From my ornaments, may she die with no other than my
death.”

Sinaitic Inscriptions in Wadee El-Mukattab, Sinai"

http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/archeological-biblical-proofs-0f-joseph-in-egypt-exodus-and-first-temple-period/  

Archaeological digs agree with genesis

 http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/biblicalarchaeology.html   

"Manetho, whose writings only survive as a partially preserved “garbled abridgement,”3 did not intend for his history to be a chronological account of Egyptian history. Like everyone else in the ancient world, Manetho measured time in regnal years (“in the fifth year of King So-and-So”). Eusebius, the fourth-century historian who quoted Manetho extensively, did not believe that Manetho intended for his regnal years to be added up consecutively. Eusebius says, “Several Egyptian kings ruled at the same time. . . . It was not a succession of kings occupying the throne one after the other, but several kings reigning at the same time in different regions.”4 Because Manetho’s history lists the reigns of kings who ruled simultaneously, historians should not add the years of the kings’ reigns together as if the kings ruled one after another.
Manetho’s history is also inconsistent with contemporary Egyptian sources. Professor J. H. Breasted, author of History of Egypt, calls Manetho’s history “a late, careless and uncritical compilation, which can be proven wrong from the contemporary monuments in the vast majority of cases, where such documents have survived.”5 Manetho’s interpretation of each variation in spelling as a different king creates numerous nonexistent generations. Because Manetho’s history contradicts actual Egyptian records from the time of the pharaohs, historians should not consider Manetho’s history authoritative."

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/doesnt-egyptian-chronology-prove-bible-unreliable/
3. A. Gardiner, Egypt of the Pharaohs (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1961), p. 46, quoted in D. Mackey’s thesis. Manetho is quoted by Josephus, Eusebius, Africanus, and Syncellus.
4.J. Ashton and D. Down, Unwrapping the Pharaohs (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 2006), p. 73.

5. D. Mackey, “Sothic Star Dating.”
 https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/the-pyramids-of-ancient-egypt/
 Problems with the Sothic cycle
"Meyer had to depend on later non-Egyptian writers to establish a starting point for his calculations, and those sources are contradictory. Censorinius, a third-century Roman writer, and Theon, a fourth-century Alexandrian astronomer, give different starting points. According to Censorinius, the Great Sothic Year occurred in A.D. 140, but according to Theon, it occurred in 26 B.C. Meyer subtracted multiples of 1,460 years from A.D. 140 and proposed 4240 B.C. as a totally certain date for the establishment of Egypt’s civil calendar.8"Mackey, “Fall of the Sothic Theory: Egyptian Chronology Revisited.” https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/doesnt-egyptian-chronology-prove-bible-unreliable/
   The Bible shows that the Egyptian history started after the tower of babel.  The Sphinx might have been built by a pre-flood civilization.   But generally the Egyptians are descendents of Mizraim.  so they would not have a history of the flood   Their list of kings are confused by issues of family claims, and property issues in which many kings reigned simultaneously.


"History

History is interpretation of the past in the words of a historian. It is a scholarly study of what happened in the past without being judgmental or subjective. The main job of a historian is to record the information and facts based upon narratives of the past and recollect the entire sequence of events without getting biased. History starts from the time when writing was invented and people started to keep records of events occurring at that time. Events belonging to a period before history are termed as prehistory and include events and people that are beyond the scope of history as it cannot be verified. History includes authentic information about the past as and when it happened (and also why).

Archeology

Archeology is a field of study that tries to unearth (literally) information about the past by digging up artifacts and analyzing them to recollect sequence of events of that time. In this sense it is close to history though archeological findings can never be as authentic as fact contained in history as they are based upon narratives written by the people from the past whereas there is no such evidence in support of archeological artifacts and archeologists often try to string together loose ends on the basis of their experience.

What is the difference between History and Archaeology?

Ancient civilizations that do not even find a mention in history are recollected with the help of artifacts and fossils that are dug up in any archeological survey. Archeology is a search whereas history is a recollection of the past on the basis of narratives written by people of the past. This is one big difference that separates history from archeology though both attempt to unravel the past for us. Archeology is also history in the sense that archeologists try to surmise about what must have happened in the past basing their conclusions upon artifacts they dig up. This is intelligent guesswork but history is all facts and information that is already there and just needs to be written in a new perspective and style." http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-history-and-vs-archaeology/

China
"Who is Shang Di? This name literally means ‘the Heavenly Ruler.’ By reviewing recitations used at the Border Sacrifice, recorded in the Statutes of the Ming Dynasty (AD 1368), one may begin to understand the ancient Chinese reverence for ShangDi. Participating in this rite, the emperor first meditated at the Altar of Heaven (the Imperial Vault), while costumed singers, accompanied by musicians, intoned:

‘To Thee, O mysteriously-working Maker, I look up in thought. … With the great ceremonies I reverently honor Thee. Thy servant, I am but a reed or willow; my heart is but that of an ant; yet have I received Thy favouring decree, appointing me to the government of the empire. I deeply cherish a sense of my ignorance and blindness, and am afraid, lest I prove unworthy of Thy great favours. Therefore will I observe all the rules and statutes, striving, insignificant as I am, to discharge my loyal duty. Far distant here, I look up to Thy heavenly palace. Come in Thy precious chariot to the altar. Thy servant, I bow my head to the earth reverently, expecting Thine abundant grace. … O that Thou wouldest vouchsafe to accept our offerings, and regard us, while thus we worship Thee, whose goodness is inexhaustible!’²James Legge, The Notions of the Chinese Concerning God and Spirits, Hong Kong, Hong Kong Register Office, pp. 24–25, 1852.
http://creation.com/the-original-unknown-god-of-china

"Shangdi (Chinese: 上帝; pinyin: Shàngdì; Wade–Giles: Shang Ti), also written simply as Di (Chinese: 帝; pinyin: Dì; Wade–Giles: Ti; "Deity", "Emperor"), is the Chinese term for "Supreme Deity" or "Highest Deity".
Along with Tian ("Heaven" or "Great Whole"), it is one of the terms used to refer to the absolute God of the universe in philosophy,^[1] Confucianism,^[2] the Chinese traditional religions and its various sects (such as Yiguandao) and Chinese Protestant Christianity, while its usage among contemporary and secular Chinese, Hong Kong, and Taiwanese societies typically imply a universal deity that is equivalent to the same usage as it is in Christianity.^{[3]"  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi}
"China, one of the countries that can boast of an ancient civilization, has a long and mysterious history - almost 5,000 years of it! Like most other great civilizations of the world, China can trace her culture back to a blend of small original tribes which have expanded till they became the great country we have today."https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/history/

 http://across.co.nz/ChineseNoah.htm
"The International Red Cross in its 1998 world disasters report says that year was the worst on record. Hurricane Mitchell struck in central America, drought in Indonesia, and floods affected 180 million in south China.
Earlier, in 1939 floods in north China from the Yellow River killed 100,000. Prior to that, in 1931 floods killed 3.7 million, and in Manchu dynasty times in 1887, a flood caused 900,000 deaths.
Ancient China must have had a long record of floods, since, like ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, its early civilisation was built near a river.
Consequently, the Chinese must have built boats quite early, and a form of the word must have been written down since early times.
The modern Chinese word for boat or ship ( chuan) is a curious one. It escaped the 1956 character simplification reform in China, but today it is found in two forms.
In both the forms, there is a sailing vessel  (zhou) as a radical, and also a character for "mouth"  (kou) and finally, one with a component for either "several" (ji)  or  "eight" (ba) . But which is the correct one?
Assuming that the correct form is that for "several" the word "ship" looks similar to words like the metal lead  (qian) , and the word for alongside  (yan). However, the pronunciations for all these are rather different, which is very surprising.
Certainly "ship" is not a newly created word. The Japanese know of this word, since around 400AD, Chinese books were first brought into Japan from Korea. They call it fune, and it appears similar to the word for navigate.
According to Japanese teachers of Chinese at the University of Tokyo, the word for navigate (hang) derives from a vessel, and on the right, a pictograph of a man with a raised neck - looking around so as to navigate properly. Did that pictograph of a man's neck become the number eight?
Whether the word for boat derived from navigate or vice versa, (it is more logical to build a boat first, then navigate it) it is clear that in the case of boat, the two components at the right hand side are eight and mouth.
Today there are major dictionaries such as The Chinese-English Dictionary by the Beijing Foreign Languages Institute (1979), Chinese Bibles, and some computer word processing programs such as Chinese Star 2.97 which use the component "several".
However, Cihai, published in Taiwan as late as 1988, and Matthews' Chinese-English Dictionary of 1931 still show the number 8. In fact, an ancient form of the word boat shows it to be eight mouths.
The question is, why should there be eight mouths and not seven, or six or any other number. Obviously they refer to eight people, but which eight?
One possible explanation is that the word derives from an otherwise forgotten Chinese memory of a great worldwide flood in ancient times that is better known to the west as the Great Flood of Noah's day as recorded in the Jewish peoples' Hebrew Old Testament book of Genesis.
According to that account, there were only eight people saved in Noah's day (Gen 7:13): Noah, his three sons Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's wife and the three sons' wives.
It was not a nationalistic epic, since the Hebrew account places the survivors as landing on - not on Mt Hermon, the highest mountain in Israel today -  but the mountains of Ararat which is presently at the Turkish-Armenian border, far away from Israel.
Moreover, the later New Testament books of 1 Peter 3:8 and 2 Peter 2:5 repeat the number eight who were saved.
In fact, over many parts of the world, there were other ancient peoples who had similar stories. Similar stories come from southern Asia, the South Sea islands, and all parts of the continent of America - but they are very rare in Africa (Ancient Egypt had a flood story) and Europe.
The Greeks had several versions of a myth in which a king Deucalion and his wife Prrrha escaped from a great flood by floating in a chest that finally landed on a mountain. They took refuge on Mt Parnassus (in central Greece not far from Delphi) and, at Zeus' command, cast  stones which became a new race of human beings.
An Indian myth from the 6th century BC tells how the hero Manu was advised by a fish to build a ship as a means of escape from the coming flood. When it came, the fish towed the ship to a mountain top.
Excavation at Ur in Iraq by Sir Leonard Wooley in 1929 may have confirmed the ancient belief of many nations when he discovered a layer of clay 3m deep which was apparently deposited by a great ancient flood.
It seemed to echo the story of a great worldwide flood as recorded in a Babylonian clay tablet, the Epic of Gilgamesh, written over 2,500 years ago. According to that epic the hero and sole survivor Utnapishtim landed on Mount Nisir (in Kurdistan, upper Iraq).
Today a surviving Chinese legend of an extensive ancient flood vaguely revolves around the person of a goddess Nukua who supposedly ended the flood by patching up the blue sky with five-coloured stones; the details are very different from the Hebrew version.
Only the character "boat" and its eight passengers seems to remain as a constant reminder of what had happened long, long ago.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/scientists-find-evidence-of-catastrophic-flood-of-4000-years-ago/


 genesis 10:
¹⁵ And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, ¹⁶ and the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, ¹⁷ and the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 

 ^{Isaiah 49:12} Behold, these shall come from far:
and, lo, these from the north and from the west;
and these from the land of Sinim.

Archaeologists uncovered and dated the bones of children found in the Yellow River Valley. The children are believed to have been trapped by a massive flood around 2000 B.C., around the time many Christians believe the biblical story of Noah and the Flood took place.
According to Chinese legend, a great flood deluged settlements, spilled over hills and mountains and even reached the heavens. It’s said that King Yu made the waters recede by constructing large ditches, and he founded China’s first dynasty, the Xia. However, no evidence of Yu or the Xia Dynasty has been uncovered.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/scientists-find-evidence-of-catastrophic-flood-of-4000-years-ago/#pMGk7lFx7y9rXEWR.99

Peru 
"The Inca civilization arose from the highlands of Peru sometime in the early 13th century. Its last stronghold was conquered by the Spanish in 1572."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire
 "A Great Flood
Just as many other cultures, the Inca's spoke of one myth that included a great flood.
As the legend goes, a great flood came about and whisked away all of the unruly people in the land.
The flood myths are full of stories about how the Inca people were greedy and and how they didn't pay proper homage to the Gods. It was decided that the only people who didn't prove evil were the ones in the highest highlands of the Andes Mountains.
As the story goes, two shepherds realized how sad their llamas were. The llamas told their owners there was a flood coming. The two shepherds gathered their families and their herds and headed to the highlands.
Rain fell for two straight months until all of the land below was flooded. The Sun God appeared and his smile dried the waters. The families came down from the Highlands and repopulated the earth.
This myth continues on, saying that the llamas always remember the floods and therefore only live in the Highlands.

Read more: http://www.inside-peru.com/inca-creation-myth.html#ixzz4IplFuGxW

 Norte Chico civilization
"Norte Chico has pushed back the horizon for complex societies in the Peruvian region by more than one thousand years. The Chavín culture, circa 900 BC, had long been considered the first civilization of the area. It is still regularly cited as such in general works.^[11][12]
The discovery of Norte Chico has also shifted the focus of research away from the highland areas of the Andes and lowlands adjacent to the mountains (where the Chavín, and later Inca, had their major centers) to the Peruvian littoral, or coastal regions. Norte Chico is located in a north-central area of the coast, approximately 150 to 200 km north of Lima, roughly bounded by the Lurín Valley on the south and the Casma Valley on the north. It comprises four coastal valleys: the Huaura, Supe, Pativilca, and Fortaleza; known sites are concentrated in the latter three, which share a common coastal plain. The three principal valleys cover only 1,800 km², and research has emphasized the density of the population centers.^[13]
The Peruvian littoral appears an "improbable, even aberrant" candidate for the "pristine" development of civilization, compared to other world centers.^[2] It is extremely arid, bounded by two rain shadows (caused by the Andes to the east, and the Pacific trade winds to the west). The region is punctuated by more than 50 rivers that carry Andean snowmelt. The development of widespread irrigation from these water sources is seen as decisive in the emergence of Norte Chico;^[14][4] since all of the monumental architecture at various sites has been found close to irrigation channels.
The radiocarbon work of Jonathan Haas et al., found that 10 of 95 samples taken in the Pativilca and Fortaleza areas dated from before 3500 BC; the oldest, dating from 9210 BC, provides "limited indication" of human settlement during the Pre-Columbian Early Archaic era. Two dates of 3700 BC are associated with communal architecture, but are likely to be anomalous. It is from 3200 BC onward that large-scale human settlement and communal construction are clearly apparent.^[3] Mann, in a survey of the literature in 2005, suggests "sometime before 3200 BC, and possibly before 3500 BC" as the beginning date of the Norte Chico formative period. He notes that the earliest date securely associated with a city is 3500 BC, at Huaricanga, in the Fortaleza area of the north, based on Haas' dates.^{[2]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte_Chico_civilization}
          When we read between the lines,   These high ages are not the result of historical testimony.  As the nearest civilization is supposedly 1000 years later.  Instead, they are based upon the theory of carbon dating.   But Carbon dating has been discovered to be unreliable in the arena of deep time.
" In the light of what is known about the radiocarbon method and the way it is used, it is truly astonishing that many authors will cite agreeable determinations as "proof" for their beliefs...
Radiocarbon dating has somehow avoided collapse onto its own battered foundation, and now lurches onward with feigned consistency. The implications of pervasive contamination and ancient variations in carbon-14 levels are steadfastly ignored by those who base their argument upon the dates.
...[Some authors have said] they were "not aware of a single significant disagreement" on any sample that had been dated at different labs. Such enthusiasts continue to claim, incredible though it may seem, that "no gross discrepancies are apparent". Surely 15,000 years of difference on a single block of soil is indeed a gross discrepancy! And how could the excessive disagreement between the labs be called insignificant, when it has been the basis for the reappraisal of the standard error associated with each and every date in existence?
Why do geologists and archaeologists still spend their scarce money on costly radiocarbon determinations? They do so because occasional dates appear to be useful. While the method cannot be counted on to give good, unequivocal results, the numbers do impress people, and save them the trouble of thinking excessively. Expressed in what look like precise calendar years, figures seem somehow better--both to the layman and professional not versed in statistics--than complex stratigraphic or cultural correlations, and are more easily retained in one's memory. "Absolute" dates determined by a laboratory carry a lot of weight, and are extremely useful in bolstering weak arguments...
No matter how "useful" it is though, the radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates. This whole blessed thing is nothing but 13th century alchemy, and it all depends upon which funny paper you read.
Robert E. Lee, Radiocarbon: Ages in Error. Anthropological Journal of Canada, vol. 19 (3), 1981, pp. 9-29"


Unlike the pagan alternatives the Biblical flood has scientific evidence.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-noahs-ark-float-theory-yes-180950385/
 "However, the Bible is clear on one thing: Noah got specific instructions for the ark’s dimensions (300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high) and material (“gopher wood”). Gopher wood may refer to pine, cedar, or cypress wood.

So, if one could hypothetically build an ark to the specifications outlined in the Bible, and actually cram two of every species on the boat, would it float or would Noah have found himself in a Titanic-like scenario? That’s what four physics graduate students at the University of Leicester wondered. As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float. They recently published their research in a peer-reviewed, student-run publication, the Journal of Physics Special Topics.

You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work,” said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement."
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" The Flood and genetics

Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound.

Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound. About 10 generations after Creation, a severe, short bottleneck occurred in the human population. From untold numbers of people, the entire world population was reduced to eight souls with only three reproducing couples.

“So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood.” Gen 7:7

“Now the sons of Noah who went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth… These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.” Gen 9:18–19

We can draw many important deductions from these statements. For instance, based on Genesis 7 and 9, how many Y chromosomes were on the Ark? The answer: one. Yes, there were four men, but Noah gave his Y chromosome to each of his sons. Unless there was a mutation (entirely possible), each of the sons carried the exact same Y chromosome. We do not know how much mutation occurred prior to the flood. With the long life spans of the antediluvian patriarchs, it may be reasonable to assume little mutation had taken place, but all of Creation, including the human genome, had been cursed, so it may not be wise to conclude that there was no mutation prior to the Flood. The amount of mutation may be a moot point, however, for, if it occurred, the Flood should have wiped out most traces of it (all of it in the case of the Y chromosome).
How many mitochondrial DNA lineages were on the Ark? The answer: three. Yes, there were four women, but the Bible does not record Noah’s wife as having any children after the Flood (in this case, girl children). And notice the claim in Gen 9:19, “These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.” This is a strong indication that Noah’s wife did not contribute anything else to the world’s population. With no prohibition against sibling marriage, yet,⁴ one or more of the daughters-in-law may have been her daughter, but this does not change the fact that, at first glance, we expect a maximum of three mitochondrial lineages in the current world population. There is a chance that there will be less, if there was very little mutation before the Flood or if several of the daughters-in-law were closely related. At most, we do not expect more than four."http://creation.com/noah-and-genetics


for more evidence of the flood and other evidence for creation go to...
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2015/11/bhs-biblical-historical-science-links.html
here are some specific studies with the flood
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/02/rock-of-ages.html
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/07/evidence-of-world-wide-global-flood.html
 http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2016/03/ark-eology.html
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-fall-of-lucifer-nyc-pt6.html