Wednesday, July 10, 2013

Yeshua? Or jesus? Responding to the radical fringe of the messianic/Hebrew roots movement


Should we be Christian?
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
 The word "christian" was a word of derision.  It was a word of name calling and humiliation.  Yet the first christians put pride in that title regardless because they had no shame in Christ.
  In centuries past many would wear that title in vain and cause a great disservice to our Lord. Yet "christ" points us back to Jesus of Nazareth our savior. As the world has gone back to paganism, the word "christian" is growing unpopular again. Not only among communities among atheist and  Muslims.  But as well from those who claim to be God's chosen.  Many in the radical fringe within the Hebrew roots movement, have made the claim that we are to worship Yashua Hamashia and not Jesus Christ.  That we are to be messianic Jews and not christian.
  While I'll admit that there are huge groups of apostates that claim the name of Christ yet are apostate...  This does not Justify separation from all those who bear his name.
  This movement of rejecting the gentile languages as pagan, is a form of judaizing. It is a means of by passing the age of grace and accumulating religion by self righteousness.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
  This legalism was not limited to Jews who rejected Jesus, But in fact was an epidemic among Jewish followers of Christ.
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
   So there is a definite concern with Christians in relation to the law for salvation.


Was the New Testament written in Hebrew or Greek?
A. North Israel
  As a Galilean, Jesus and many apostles had gentile neighboring cities.  This is important because the Jews would be more likely to know the Greek language in this area.
Matthew 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
  The universal Gentile language was Greek, at this time. Jesus and the apostles were likely to be completely conversant in this dialogue.

B. Dr. Luke)
Luke was a gentile, writing His gospel for Hellenistic readers, specifically His Greek publisher.
1:It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
 So it is obvious that Luke wrote in Greek.

C. Why only a couple Aramic quotes?
   If the gospels were originally punlished in aramaic Then why only quote aramaic a few times with no stastement that all of it was aramaic?

"The Gospels were originally written in Greek, the common lingua franca (common or commercial language among diverse peoples) of the Roman Orient. No original Gospels have been found in Aramaic; the only known Aramaic Gospels are translations from Greek versions. The general consensus is that the Gospel according to Matthew was written particularly for Jews; the Gospel according to Mark was written particularly for Romans; the Gospel according to Luke was written particularly for Greeks; and the Gospel according to John was written for everyone." conservapedia The gospels

D. How would a Jew(Peter), speak to the Romans?
  Aramaic and Hebrew simply were inadequate for Italians, yet it is doubtful peter would have mastered Latin.  The point of contact is obviously through the Greek language.

E.Why are Hebrew names given a Greek accent?
 They would use the greek accent of Isaiah (esaias) .  Because these jews spoke Greek and were more familiar with the Greek than in the Hebrew.

F.Was the Logos in the beginning?
The "logos" is a major concept with the greeks and platonist of this day and age.  It even has messianic overtones.  If this were Hebrew it would not make such a connection.

Why would God use a different language?
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

How do we know the original manuscripts were in Greek?
http://www.ntgreek.org/SeminaryPapers/Evidence%20from%20History%20and%20the%20Gospels%20that%20Jesus%20Spoke%20Greek.pdf

Why would God use Greek?
1 Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
   It is obvious that the Jews outside Israel were Greek speaking. And the Episitles of Paul and others were indeed in Hebrew. Even the fact that Saul of Taursus is no longer Paul is an obvious sign of the transition to Greek.
St. Augustine observed that Romans preferred for Latin to be adopted per pacem societatis, through a social pact.[43] This policy contrasts with that of Alexander the Great, who aimed to impose Greek throughout his empire as the official language.[44] As a consequence of Alexander’s conquests, koine Greek had become the shared language around the eastern Mediterranean and into Asia Minor.[45] The "linguistic frontier" dividing the Latin West and the Greek East passed through the Balkan peninsula, creating a bilateral monolingualism in the Roman Empire.[46]
 
Romans who received an elite education studied Greek as a literary language, and most men of the governing classes could speak Greek.[48] The Julio-Claudian emperors encouraged high standards of correct Latin (Latinitas), a linguistic movement identified in modern terms as Classical Latin, and favored Latin for conducting official business.[49] Claudius tried to limit the use of Greek, and on occasion revoked the citizenship of those who lacked Latin, but even in the Senate he drew on his own bilingualism in communicating with Greek-speaking ambassadors.[49] Suetonius quotes him as referring to "our two languages,"[50] and the employment of two imperial secretaries, one for Greek and one Latin, dates to his reign.[51] Wikipedia Roman empire: languages

Are Christians under the law?
Romans7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.



What if our language is pagan?
Psalm117 O praise the Lord, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the Lord endureth for ever. Praise ye the Lord.
Mark 1310 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
    All tongues and languages can praise God. Godis the God of us all.

Acts2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
   Here the Gospel will be preached in every language miraculously.



Is Jesus lord of the Gentiles as well?
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


Mark 726 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
  Here we see Jesus in Dialogue with a Greek speaking woman. it would make no sense for Him to speak to her in another language than greek.

  Now Jesus, ministry was to the circumcised Jews.  But His gospel would be propagated all over the earth.
Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: 9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. 10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. 11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. 12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. 13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

is jesus, jesus?
phillippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Luke23:37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.
39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.
John 19
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

The point here is obvious. jesus name was spoken in many languages and dialects in his life.  He was meant for His name to be spoken among all people Jesus is the savior of the World.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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