Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Why Ecumenicist are evil bigots!

(And why their kindness really kills!)
If you made it through the title and are still reading I am amazed!
So what is ecumenism?
Well, there are two types the first want to unite all Christian denominations. The second wants to unite all religions.
Ecumenicism seems as if it were positive and loving wanting to bring everyone together under one banner. But should everyone one become united together whether right or wrong; good or evil?
{By the way, I want to make a point clear before I go any further. I am ok with certain types of interdenominational activities, I have friends from many denominations. Most specifically political and some times evangelistic etc. However this is about an attitude which devalues theology and the need to make church submit their autonomy for the sake of unity. Also the bigots is a pun off of the name calling for the sake of tolerance routine.]


Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
That’s right Jesus just denied the chance at a cross less universal salvation of all mankind! But why? Isn’t that we all want? Just look at the price tag of a universal salvation. For this to have happen Jesus would have had to commit idolatry. Honestly this is still the price tag. We will only win the world’s favor when give up on ideas of righteousness and holiness. Yet Jesus explains it best.
Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
The world is a vast wasteland. It is not worth the purchase. When we look down to the world we no longer are looking up at man.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Make no doubt about it Christians have to be holy and different from this world. This world only brings death.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
This is the heart of the problem, which tugged at my soul until I had to stop. So many Christians and so many churches believe that it is somehow ok to barter away our faith and allegiance to Christ. An ecumenicist friend of mine actually put it in these words “If you are witnessing to a non-believer like a Muslim, How are you going to tell them to give up all their beliefs if you are not willing to give up your own?” This is a blasphemous but clever argument. But just as Rich Mullins sang “I did not make it: no, it is making me; It is the very truth of God not the invention of any man!”
Many times we are willing to give away Christ. Many times we do so because we are ashamed of Him and His words. The reason is because we crave acceptance of the World more than the acceptance of God. Yet we must understand that this shame works two ways according to our Lord.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
So our discipleship is dependent on the authority of Christ actual words. He really needs to be our ruler! Yet Some many times we act like Cain we tell God “Don’t worry I will worship you, but on my terms not yours!” This denies the Sovereignty of God. God has one truth and one gospel. Yet we have a world which is composed of many truths and many gospels. Only one, if any, of these truths or gospels can be correct. We must freely search for the one truth.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
If we give up the search for truth for the sake of unity how will we stand before God? We can not depend on man made authorities for the truth, we must read the gospel and find the truth ourselves.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
Unbelievers should not be allowed membership, if they are not saved. Nor should churches be in covenant with unsaved groups. Yet the ecumenical movement does just that? Many churches are not regenerate due to, sacramentalism, legalism, liberalism, anti-nomialism or simple refusal to evangelize. However, spiritual death can spread through a church like a virus and if you network your born-again church with non-born-again Christians you will find the purity will leave your church. Soon lost “christians” will join your church and want to be accomodated. Then say good-bye to the full gospel!

Your not supposed to Judge!
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
First of all, the phrase judge should not be seen simply as a mental Judgement. Later on Paul encourages the ability to judge ourselves within the Church. (1Cor. 6) However here we see a specific act of public condemnation. In verse too it show’s us the need for equal standard and accountability. We must not judge hypocritically. In verse 5 it shows that if we first judge ourselves then we may properly attend to others. But Christians have the right to make judgments.
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

He who is without sin caste the first stone!
Joh 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
The irony of this argument is that most of the ecumenicist who use this argument believe that this passage was not in the original manuscripts and therefore doesn’t matter anyway.
However, it did happen. Jesus says “let him first caste a stone at her”. Jesus is not speaking figuratively. They have stones in their hands! We should be peaceful and tolerate people no matter how sinful they are! Condemnation and execution is the duty of the government, not the Christian.
But once again this has nothing to do with judge the merits of a teaching or act. In fact Christ implied that she was a sinner because he told her to “sin no more”.


Who are you to judge another man’s servant!
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
This regarding what we call convictions beliefs on subjects not specified in the New Testament. Now in the sense of trying to overpower others in some way to force people to our convictions we should not judge others, but if we can disagree then we are already judging and so we can judge whether or not to associate with others. Many times in scripture told that we should separate from false teachers in fact. Even in this very book Paul tells us so!
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Jesus prayed for unity!
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
     First of all who is Jesus praying for? Those who “believe on” Jesus “through their” Apostles “word:”. So Jesus is praying for born-again New Testament Christians. He is praying for unity like unto the Father and the Son. Ecumenicists argue that we should be unified spiritually and not by practice. But Jesus is praying for unity which is total. This will happen at the rapture by Christ and not man. However if we our to strive for unity we must debate and rebuke each other. Not ignore our sins and sing “cuum by ya!”.

You’re dividing the body of Christ!
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
First of all, we have to know what the body of Christ is! Paul says it is one body, yet ecumenicist argue for several bodies becoming one.
Paul says there is “one spirit and one lord”. So are their several Spirits and Lords becoming one?
Paul says there is one faith. Yet Ecumenicist argue several. Paul says One God. Are there several gods who become one?
Honestly I do not believe we in an invisible spiritual body that can be divided by an argument. I believe Christ’s body is the organized New Testament Church and those two swords sharpen each other.
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.



The ecumenical movement has either done or allowed great evil in the name of love.
Is it loving to publicly endorse the murder of unborn babies?
Ecumenicists typically fellowship with and support abortion advocates. In America we have murder roughly 50 million infants. This had to be done with the consent, support, money, protesting and volunteering of many Christians. To support unity with every one who calls themselves a Christian we have to acknowledge this as a legitimate activity with a different point of view.

Is it loving to encourage the perversion which spread AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases?
Many churches today encourage the sin of Homosexuality, some even allow their ministers openly or privately practice sodomy and homosexuality. A fact that escapes the pop-culture is the AIDS virus is spread through sodomy more than any other activity. Due political correctness this fact is over looked and many homosexual contract the AIDS virus at alarming rates. These Christians who encourage this cursed lifestyle and it’s massive destruction and death are supposed to be accepted in the name of unity.

Is it loving to encourage Islamic terrorism and the bombing of innocent people around the world?
Ecumenicist Christians like former President Jimmy Carter have cast a great deal of support to Islamic Radicals. Carter has defended the terrorist and enabled them since his initial meetings almost 30 years ago. They have been especially effective in encouraging Palestinian terrorists to send suicide bombers in Israel to kill school children and the like. Presbyterian USA for instance is infamous for boycotting Israel for defending their homeland.
Should we encourage murderers like the Nazis and Islamo-fscist?


Is it loving to applaud foreign countries who have killed multi millions of innocent Christians in the last ten years?
Ecumenicists typically side with communist and Islamic terrorist in world affairs and refuse to speak of the murders of Christians all over the world. Each year there are 185,000 Christians martyred for the faith. In places like communist china and the Muslim countries. If they cared about real christians then why are they rarely if ever mentioned? Why should we respect Rick Warren (PDL) for meeting with Christian killers in Syria and North Korea and complementing them, is that what Jesus would do?

Should we call thousands of unrepentant and active child molesters our brothers in Christ?
The Catholic Church has obviously over 5,000 known child molesters in its priest hood. (Most are now in jail). The Church refused to report the abuse and covered it up preserved it in fact. I have known people who were molested through the Catholic system. I knew many Catholics trained through their schools system to become activists for homosexuality. When you see someone who has been abused by a priest or someone else, will you tell them that person is an official representative of God? This is the position of ecumenicism.

Should we encourage cults, which have killed multitudes?
Many are pushing to recognize Mormonism as a Christian faith. Mormonism is historically a militant cult. The US stopped Mormonism from becoming the twin of Islamic radicalism, but secretly many Mormons still murder their apostates today. (like Warren Jeffs) Also this group has long held theocratic aspirations and is getting more and more Mormons into public office. ( recently Harry Reid senate Majority leader and the Presidential bid of Mitt Romney)

Should we encourage charlatans to rob young believers of their life savings?
Ecumenicists approve of TBN and the Word of Faith cult whose many televangelists have robbed millions of dollars from the faithful in exchange for lofty promise blessings (God given money). Not too mention false healing by way of stage hypnotism.





Evangelical Ecumenical church Father: Billy Graham
No one has embodied ecumenicism on the interdenominational level like Billy Graham. Billy has been able to use His good work of mass evangelism to spread his doctrine of the interdenominational mentality. Billy is the true church father of the “New Evangelical Movement”
As opposed to the fundamentalists of the past Billy and his evangelicals argue that we ought to co-operate with Liberals and Catholics. He has used His format to bring about crusades of unheard of crowds and been able to meet with many world leaders. Like 5 US Presidents and the Popes.
And while I can appreciate the fact that he has preached the gospel to so many and many of which have been saved. I do not believe this gives him the right down play the scriptures and let himself be exalted as an idol.
I have heard new evangelicals honor Billy Graham on the level of a minor deity. I have heard people refer to him as the evangelical pope I have heard actual CCM worship songs in honor of him. I have seen multitudes react to him like a rock star. I have scene multiple biographies of him, his wife son daughters etc. Even Oprah swooning and cuddling him! Finally, in 2006 a 7 foot statue of Billy Graham standing with his arms outstretched directly in front of a 14 ft. empty cross. It is obvious that Billy Graham has become an icon and even idol.
Yet are his works as great as we think? Billy has reach around 1.3 billion people with the gospel. He has had an estimated 23 million conversions. Of those only a small percentage actually became regular attendees at their churches. I believe Graham should be acknowledged as a church father. And yet unlike previous Great evangelist church Fathers like Wesley, Whitfield, Finney or Moody; Graham does not provide a sense of pastoral or a theological foundation. Henceforth, we are left with a group of pragmatist ministers instead of gospel ministers.
Graham would purposefully water down his evangelism so as not to be offensive. For instance he would not preach on the fires of Hell, the exclusive nature of salvation (though he would allude to it), the Blood which atones for sin, the requirement of repentance, the doctrine of Baptism. And would not touch to much on other subjects. Though you may eventually find his opinions.
Graham has encouraged many heretics to have counsel over his new converts such as Catholic, Orthodox, liberals, Neo-orthodox, mind science, Word of Faith, legalists etc. Proving Graham to be one who accepted the status of church father and yet not the responsibilities. Altogether Graham proved himself to be an “absentee church father”.


Ecumenical church Mother Mother Theresa
In order to draw people of all religions Mother Theresa rest not upon logic but fame and good works. Protestants who many times have no idea of her beliefs or even specifically her works believe that she was a saint on her way to heaven.
Like all good Catholics Mother Theresa believed in works based salvation. Which is prohibited in the New Testament.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is no surprise then that Mother Theresa had her doubts as to whether she would go to heaven or even if she believed in God. Mother Theresa was also known for not advocating exclusively the Christian gospel. Many theologians try to explain away her doubts as a trial of faith. Yet can we have assurance that we are saved? Isn’t it normal to be assured or normal to doubt?
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
If Mother Theresa really were born-again then she would have the witness of the Holy Spirit inside her heart. There is no middle ground as she and the Catholics taught. There is only saved and unsaved. The problem is once we understand this, then we have to truly examine whether or not we are saved?
The ecumenical movement acts as an iron curtain against evangelism. Catholics and liberals never have to evangelize or be evangelized because that does not lead to unity. Mother Theresa was kept from a relationship with Christ by her works based salvation and her ecumenical wall. Most evangelicals who believe we are saved by grace through faith typically argue that Mother Theresa was a Christian and would never try to evangelize her. But by bring in Theresa and the Catholics they welcome all non-Christians eventually.
Why is this so? Because unsaved Christians are no spiritually different than unsaved pagans. This would make us discriminate one group over the other. When a catholic is welcomed by an evangelical even though they are not born-again and are still spiritually dead. That Catholic will look at the Muslim or Jew who is just as spiritually dead and living in the same dead religion and realize this bias. The Catholic will then inwardly protest that “we all have man-made religion and we are all sinners (spiritually dead)” “So who are evangelicals to be so theologically bigoted?” At this point ecumenism moves to inclusivism and eventually universalism.
Many evangelicals who have not been born-again get sucked away from the gospel and into this pit. There, Satan prepares us for Hell.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Sadly I do not believe form the evidence I have seen, that mother Theresa made it to Heaven. I wish she did but what must obey the Gospel, for it is the power of God which brings salvation. (Rom1:16)

I think that what me must learn from this is that we must cling to Christ and not just each other. If we all cling to Christ we will all be together.

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