Now before we discuss this system of theology, I must put the following disclaimer. Not everyone from the Campbellite tradition has exactly the same theology. The movement is popular for the phrase “no creed but the Bible” and so there is some diversity. Many Friends and relatives of mine have been members of the “Christian Church” lean a little more evangelical in their understanding of salvation (like Bob Russel of Southeast Christian Church). Some under the title Church of Christ have also more evangelical leanings (like Max Lucado). I have successfully done ministries with some Campbellites (coffeehouse ministries) as well as political activism in the campaign for traditional marriage. Yet the shadow of the traditional hardened church of Christ approach still looms over the religious life of most Campbellites. This mentality can lead to a false gospel that will not save. I have personally witnessed church of Christ ministers who have publicly ridiculed the idea of Justification by faith alone and declared all non-Church of Christ denominations (specifically Baptists) to be false religions that will end up burning people in Hell. This movement is quickly picking up speed and must be judge in light of scripture.
Pillars of Church of Christ teaching
1. The Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament.
2. The New Testament has a New Law code replacing the Old Law code.
3. The Church is the Kingdom of Heaven/God.
4. The Church began on the day of Pentecost.
5. Revelation must be seen in a figurative sense.
6. Since Baptism is the 1st commandment given for the New Testament it is essential for salvation.
7. Since commandments must be followed for salvation, Justification is not by faith alone.
8. Since salvation includes our own righteousness we must not break the commandments of the New Testament
9. We also must not practice anything outside the New Testament. Because this would be adding laws to the scripture
As a result…
Old Testament and Revelation paid little attention to in church life.
The New Testament is just a new rulebook.
The 4 gospels have little or nothing to do church life and salvation. Though it has some rules.
The local churches that call themselves churches of Christ are the only members of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Instruments are not allowed
Only Churches that follow Church of Christ teaching are righteous
Therefore it is probable that only the churches of Christ are going to heaven.
1. The Old Testament was the only scriptures and the only Bible of the New Testament era.
The New Testament was not printed together in a complete manuscript until 300A.D. The New Testament at the time was printed separately. The majority of the churches would rehearse the books through oral tradition keeping accountability among each other, resting their authority first upon the living apostles and secondly upon the scriptures (when they could grasp them) and students of the Apostles.
Secondly the Old Testament was respected as inspired and infallible. Now the Church of Christ would regard the Old Testament as inspired and good for history sake. However that is not applicable today because it has been replace by the New Testament.
However the New Testament itself contradicts this crucial teaching.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus said he had nothing to do with destroying the authority of Old Testament law. His mission was simply to complete it. The Old Testament law like all the Bible will not cease till has been fulfilled. The mention of the end of the world implies that the Old testament is still in the process of fulfillment. Jesus consistently comments on the Old Testament Law. He teaches that those who explicitly break the OT commandments are the least in Heaven. At this point it is obvious that the Old Testament still plays an essential role in the Christian life today. But Just incase we believe that Jesus was Only speaking to the Old Testament dispensation, Paul also backs up this teaching.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It would be obvious that since the only accessable printed scriptures this early in the 1st century had to have been the Old Testament. Paul obviously affirms it’s infallible application to every day life in the Age of Grace.
2. The New Testament certainly has commands that are foreign to the Old. However they are not arranged in a specific law code. Because the New Covenant is not written law code. It is a conviction from the Holy Spirit place upon our hearts.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
We are now governed by the convictions given to us by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Therefore our authority of knowing the law of the New Covenant comes from the convictions of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not the Holy spirit convicting us but a channel to understand his will. If we contradict the Bible, we know that we are not following the Holy Spirit. If we have a new teaching that is neither from the direct or indirect teachings of scripture. We know that the Holy Spirit did not to forget to teach anything in the scripture and therefore is not teaching us something new today. But if we read the scriptures and the Holy spirit directs us entirely in line with it then we have confirmed the presence of the spirit working in our hearts.
3. The Kingdom of Heaven is closely related but not directly the New Testament church.
Jesus taught us to pray for the kingdom to come
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
He taught that the kingdom is spiritual in nature
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The kingdom of God was promised to the church, not the same as the church
Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
He did not reveal when the kingdom would come
Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
In the Book of revelation the Kingdom coming was a future event
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
4. One sad false teaching is that the church was not started until Pentecost well after Christ death. Yet it started at the time of John the Baptist and it was made by Jesus.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
5. Revelation is vital to a biblical understanding.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
6. Baptismal salvation proof text
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
First, we must noticed that John’s baptism was water baptism and that it’s purpose was for repentance. John did not require this baptism of Jesus, because he knew that this was the sinless Messiah. He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus did not need salvation.
Secondly, baptism is better-translated “immersions”, so Jesus did not immerse to turn from sin but to fulfill righteousness. Jesus received the Holy Spirit not as a way of salvation but as a way of ordaining his mission. This is evident by the Spirit immediately driving Christ into the Wilderness in order to face the temptations of Satan.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Some may argue that being born of water is being baptized and we need it, to enter heaven. However being born or “gennao” is the same word for begat to originate from some one or thing. If this is not referring to birth or the spiritual new birth of the spirit, then how doe become born or originating from water? We have no other reference to water outside this verse, but the context is discussing being born of flesh and spirit.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
The only necessary act in this passage is belief because it is mentioned as condemning, while baptism is only necessary alongside belief but it is not capable of condemning..
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
First issue, is the use of the word “for”. Let’s see Strong’s lexical definition:
“1519 eis {ice}
a primary preposition; TDNT - 2:420,211; prep
AV - into 573, to 281, unto 207, for 140, in 138, on 58, toward 29, against 26, misc 322; 1774
“into, unto, to, towards, for, among ++++ "For" (as used in Acts 2:38 "for the forgiveness...") could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying "Jesse James wanted for robbery", "for" could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word "for" signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works.”
So you see, the verse itself does not necessarily imply Baptism. Besides there are other passages in genesis were baptism is not used as essential. Even in the next passage.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Here the act of baptism is omitted. Repentance leading to conversion is essential to the remission of sin. We must also remember that the baptism of John the Baptist was a baptism of repentance. If this is so then Peter was warning the people to repent and then be baptized as a symbol of repentance.
Finally in Peter’s speech he was not explain the process of salvation in this one verse he was not explaining the entire process of salvation, instead he simply giving the people directions on the process of conversion.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
This is Paul recounting his testimony and this is what the prophet ananias told him. Paul already convinced of Jesus Christ, thanks to his vision. Yet he still needed to personally convert. This brief admonition doesn’t even directly say that baptism was essential to salvation. Because he tells Paul to “be baptized “Kai/and” wash away” his “sins calling on the name of the Lord” there is no and separating the washing away of sin from calling on the name of the Lord. Yet there is an “and” blocking baptism from washing away thy sin.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
In both of these circumstances, it is obvious that the phrase “baptized into (Jesus) Christ” refers to salvation. However, this does not refer to water baptism. The literal translation of baptism is “immersion” so a proper reading of these texts is “Immersed into Christ/Jesus Christ.” Jesus is not the same as water. To become immersed or covered in Jesus is obviously metaphorical of the new birth experience. Now proper baptism is symbolic of this. Plus, if someone is properly baptized in Believer’s Baptism they are saved, only not through the water.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Here is an example of a text that is obviously referring to the baptism of the Holy spirit so long as we understand that to be distinct from water baptism.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
This text seems to answer itself. Baptismal salvation advocates brag about the phrase “baptism doth also now save us” yet immediately the text gives us an explanation. It is not the water that is doing the saving but a good conscience toward God concerning the ressurection of Christ. Therefore immersion in water does not save us, Jesus saves us.
Some text which prove that water baptism is not essential for salvation
John the Baptist’s baptism not saving.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
The thief on the cross
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The thief was promised salvation with out baptism.
Texts promising salvation with out mention of water baptism
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The Holy Spirit delivered prior to Baptism
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Baptism compared with circumcision
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This very important in the sense that Paul makes a very strong argument that circumcision is not saving.
Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
If our seal of baptism is similar to their seal of circumcision then we must therefore not be obligated to water baptism for salvation.
7. Clear teaching of salvation apart from our works
Romans 3,4,5,11:6
Galatians
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Here we see that we access the grace of God by faith without mention of baptism. If there is such thing as a sacrament it would have to be faith.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Here we see that Jesus justifies those who are ungodly and unrighteous enemies of God. If Baptism were to save them then it would be a righteous act. If they had righteousness of there own why would they need that of Christ?
8. The works of the flesh are useless for drawing closer to God, We only come closer by faith in His grace Phillipians
Phi 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Phi 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace;
9. So much so that works salvation is will not save at all.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
10. We are bound by the entire Bible and it’s implications.
One final problem of the church of Christ is that they have great confusion over the nature of what is biblical.
Their motto is “speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent.”
Yet what is the Bible speaking; and what is the Bible silent?
For instance they have strict rules against the use of instruments. They say that to play instruments is unbiblical. Yet…
Psa 150:3-5 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
The Old Testament has clear commands to worship with instruments.
The Church of Christ retaliates that you do not find instrumental worship in the New Testament. But you do find it implied.
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
It should be noted that instruments were part of temple worship and that the first church had no problem attending.
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
How could Christians sing psalms, which they would not obey?
At the opposite end the church of Christ believes strongly in having weekly communion.
But the never directly says that we ought to observe weekly communion. The Bible has some implications that could lead to this conclusion. (And actually I agree with that) Yet how can the Church of Christ claim weekly communion is biblical because it is only implied; while claiming instrumental worship to be unbiblical because it is also only implied? This is a contradiction!
We have to be clear when we mean biblical. If it is meant or implied it is biblical. If it is neither meant nor implied then it is unbiblical. You can’t be biblical by reinterpreting everything you don’t like out of the scripture and then following what you are comfortable with.
8 comments:
In your article, I should mention that you have a fragment (or more than 1). "If we have a new teaching that is neither from the direct or indirect teachings of Scripture" is a fragment. However, I could finish the statement by saying "we should examine it to see if it does not contradict Scripture. If it does, then it should not be believed."
Thanks for coming to Carl and Steph's house on Friday. I home that we can get some of those videos into the chruches - they really need to hear it.
I couldn't find the fragment. It's propbably their I just didn't see it this time. Remember though this conversation regards the regulative principle. Not to be confused with the normative principle.
Normative princple) Scripture is top source of doctrine and it can not be contradicted.
regulative principle) scripture is the only source of theological doctrine and we can neither add to it nor can we contradict it.
I agree with the church of christ that we should not add doctrine but I have a wider understanding of what the Bible says.
It has to be not taught or implied by scripture to be an alien and unbiblical doctrine.
In Christ,
Matt
Do you even know what the Gospel of Christ is?
Why do you bring up Alexander Campbell? He was just a man. I don't need to know where you go to worship. Biblical doctrine is what matters. People stick names on buildings so that like minded believers can find each other. You can call it whatever you want, just tell me what you believe. Matt, You should probably use something other reverend before your name. You should know that when the term was used in the scriptures, it was used as, " and Reverend is His name".
Yes Jeff I Know the Gospel of Christ.
On this youtube video I teach what the scripture says
https://youtu.be/6k-LCZE3S6s
if you click on the link and hear believing the scriptures and believe in Christ in your heart and in his shed blood on the cross then you yourself Jeff can be saved and have eternal life.
I bring up Alexander Campbell because he taught people this false gospel and knew that shallow people would hear him call himself christian or church of Christ and they would ignore the word of God and forsake the gospel of Jesus Christ. And Apparently millions of souls are lost thanks to him.
Biblical doctrine does matter. You need to be born again to properly understand it but the gospel is simple enough for anybody to start.
If you spent any amount of time on this blog you would find a lot more bible doctrine than you are used to.
if you want a simple list of my beliefs you can go here...
http://www.biblesmack.net/about-matt/my-beliefs-freedom-baptist-church-confession-of-faith-3rd-edit/
Reverend is the name of Christ and I am one his ambassadors.
So I minister in his name. As with tradition it indicates that a congregation has ordained me for ministry. In my case 3 congregations ordained me.(valley view as an evangelist, Freedom baptist Church as Pastor and Cardinal Hill baptist church ordained me as a deacon)
But commonly if I go by a title it is typically as "brother".
Feel Free to ask if you would like to know more about salvation or would like to receive instructions on the scriptures.
Sir, you have violated almost every rule for your interpretations - proof texting, failure to apply context, and checking to see what Jesus taught and other apostles taught. How could anybody believe your denominational claims is beyond me. The church of Christ belongs to the Christ. He has only one church, his church. With your approach to scripture, anyone can prove anything, any preconceived idea, the root of denominations including yours. Consider baptism where you like to blame: Matt 28, Jesus. Mark 16:15 faith + baptism to be saved, John - water and the word, Luke's records of Peter & Paul: Acts 2,8,8,9, 10, 16,22;16, chapter 16, 16, 16, all were baptized. Paul Rom 6, all of the churches planted were baptized and Peter "Noah got in the ARK AND WAS SAVED; i WANT YOU IN THE WATER 1 Pet 3 why? It saves! Where is your passage "faith only"?? Time for you to learn how to interpret scripture. Even Satan does your bidding. Once saved, always? Paul sent them to Hell Gal. 1. Sorry.
As a life-long participant in the Church of Christ movement and baptized believer since the age of 12, I thank you for addressing these same concerns that I have with my brothers and sisters in the "Restoration Movement". First, I would like to clarify that many in this movement no longer hold with Alexander Campbell. Evidence was found that Campbell accepted persons who claimed to be Christian and yet were not immersed during their baptism. But, like Priscilla and Aquila, Alexander enjoyed debating believers of other traditions in love, to challenge one-another's understanding of the scriptures. This is my recollection from reading biographies and writings some 20 plus years ago.
I love the knowledge and hunger for learning instilled within me by the brotherhood of the Restoration Movement, but I am very concerned about those who condemn others who do not hold to the Church of Christ unwritten doctrine. Priscilla and Aquila accepted Apollos as a brother in Christ. This is the first step to influence. Rather, many in the Church of Christ, take a position of arrogance and immediately attempt to show the flaws in the teachings of other denominations. Even as a child, I perceived this to be a very Pharisaical position. And, the Pharisees found themselves as the objects of Jesus' condemnation. Jesus' approach to persons who may have had a less than accurate understanding of who He was, but yet considered themselves followers, was revealed in Luke 9:49...
John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us.” 50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.” Luke 9:49-50
I hold that it is our responsibility to teach the scriptures accurately, but we are always limited by our personal understanding. Having the humility to admit this, allows us to accept Christians from other denominations, as did Priscilla and Aquila, before we engage in our mutual search for accuracy. To hold the position that any man can declare another unsaved, in my humble opinion, is setting oneself up for judgement.
bob said "you have violated almost every rule for your interpretations - proof texting, failure to apply context, and checking to see what Jesus taught and other apostles taught."
Proof texting is only a fallacy if my quotations were out of context to the point where they not taught from the meaning or an implication of the text. In the NT Jesus and the Apostles quoted scripture constantly without resorting to an exposition of the text.
It is your burden of proof to show where I am taking things out of context.
"The church of Christ belongs to the Christ."
Which one?
" He has only one church, his church."
1 Cor. 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"
The bible mentions dozens of churches btw.
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
Often is the case that sinners will like to blame you for the very sins the are committing.
Now a lot of your sentences are not even comprehensible.
However just look at this assertion.
" "Noah got in the ARK AND WAS SAVED; i WANT YOU IN THE WATER 1 Pet 3 why? It saves! "
there is a reason you are not quoting here.
1 peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
In the story of Noah and the Ark. The water was not saving anyone, it was killing everyone!! God saved the 8 people from the crowds by the water of the flood. but the flood was not internally saving anyone.
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