As a fundamentalist Baptist or New Testament Christian, I understand Jehovah to be the divine name of the God of the Old and New Testament. Many Muslims may read this site and assume there to be one religion of Christianity, like several have assumed one religion of Islam. However, there are many religions of Christianity and many religions of Islam. So the question is more general “Is Allah the same as Jehovah”. Do these religions describe the same God? Some religious people would like to think so. Yet there has to be some reason for the violent divide that has lasted well over a thousand years. I want to look at the making of Islam not just with Muhammad but with Ishmael and his Arabic descendents then we will consider the Old and New Testament and how they interact with the Koran. Finally we will consider the theological formulas of Allah and Jehovah.
Origins)
Abraham’s old family traditions
Jos 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD[jehovah] God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Gen 11:28-29 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.
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Ur = "flame" 1) city in southern Babylonia, city of the Chaldeans, centre of moon worship, home of Abraham's father, Terah, and departure point for the Abraham's migration to Mesopotamia and Canaan(strong's concordance)
Abraham comes from the background of the worship of the moon God “nannar” or “Sin”.
It was later that Abraham was called to move to the land of Canaan and served the on true living God Jehovah. The Question is: once Ishmael was abandoned, could his descendents return to paganism and worship of the moon?
“Sin.-The moon-god occupied the chief place in the astral triad. It’s other two members, Shamash the Sun and Ishtar the planet Venus, were his children. Thus it was, in effect, from the night that light had emerged… In his physical aspect Sin-who was venerated at Ur under the name of Nannur-was an old man with along beard the color of lapis-lazuli. He normally wore a turban. Every evening he got into his barque-which to mortals appeared in the form of a brilliant crescent moon-and navigated the vast spaces of the nocturnal sky. Some people, however, believed that the luminous crescent was Sin’s weapon. But one day the crescent gave way to a disk which stood out in the sky like a gleaming crown. There could be no doubt that this was the god’s own crown: and then Sin was called “Lord of the Diadem”. These successive and regular transformations lent Sin a certain mystery. For this reason he was considered to be ‘He whose deep heart no god can penetrate’ … Sin was also full of wisdom. At the end of every month the gods came to consult them and he made decisions for them… His wife was Ningal, ‘the great Lady’. He was the Father not only of Shamash and Ishtar but also of a son Nusku, the God of Fire.” (Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, 1960, p54-56)
The Idol of the Arabic people was the moon. The Myths would change but the Moon idol stayed the same. Many other groups would worship the sun. However for the Arabs the moon would be a natural choice since the heat of the desert would encourage them to be more active at night. What we should notice from the myth is that the Arabs believed that the crown and authority of God was symbolized by the crescent moon which we can see in the Muslim crescent moon today.
"The blood of the sacrificial animals brought by the pilgrims was offered to the deities in the Kaba and sometimes even human beings were sacrificed and offered to the God… Besides idol worship, they also worshipped the stars, the sun and the moon.” (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, HafizGhulam Sarwar (pakistan), p18-19,Muslim).
This must be remember that the Kaaba was most definitely an abominable pagan temple where animals and even people were slaughtered in demonic worship.
Hubal was the most worshipped of the idols in mecca and he would wear the crescent moon. Yet eventually Allah would come to the forefront.
“The more significance of the cult declined, the greater became the value of a genral religious temper associated with Allah. Among the Meccans he was already coming to take the place of the old moon-god Hubal as the Lord of the Ka’bah… Allah was actually the guardian of contracts, though at first these were still settled at a special ritual locality and so subordinate to the supervision of an idol. In particular he was regarded as the guardian of the Alien guest, though consideration for him still lagged behind duty to one’s Kinsmen,” (History of the Islamic Peoples Carl Brockelmann, p 8-10)
Here we see a passing of the torch from the god hubal to the god allah.
“The god Il or llah was originally a phase of the moon god, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names such as Emmanuel, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the Northern of the northern Semites proper which was the Sun. Similarly under Muhammad’s tutelage, the relatively anonymous llah became Al-llah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being.”(Southern Arabia, Carleton S. Coon, Washington D.C. Smithsonian, 1944, p.399)
Here we see there is some linguistic compatibility with the name Allah and the title of “moon god”.
Now we should keep in mind that the idol of the moon was a symbol of sovereignty. Hubal would be replaced by Allah well before Muhammad came to power. Why did this exchange take place? Because the names of the gods are based upon language and more importantly culture. Once the god “Allah” was worshipped it was a sign of Muhammad’s tribal superiority and national sovereignty.
“At Mekka, Allah was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had threedaughters; Al Uzzah(venus) most revered of all and pleased with humansacrifice; Manah, the goddes of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegatable life. Hubal and more than 300 others made up the pantheon. The central shrine at Mecca was the Kaaba, a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner id the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essentially part of the pilgrimage.” (Meet the Arab, JohnVan Ess, 1943, p.29.)
The Bible does forbid such acts.
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole
Deu 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deu 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
The chosen people)
The Jewish people are a culture of people based upon faith.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
The very initiation of the Jewish Race was Abraham’s faith that God would bless him with a chosen seed. That seed would spring forth through Isaac and oddly through Jacob.
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
The Jewish people were never a great people by natural means. They never became a vast empire. Israel at its peak under Solomon would soon split. They have been more oppressed than any other tribe and yet they have miraculously out lasted every empire. The only way to understand an orthodox Jew is by faith.
The Arabic people are a culture of slavery without faith.
Ishmael was outgrowth of Abraham’s adultery because he did not have faith in the promise of Jehovah. Isaac was the result Abraham’s faithfulness to his wife and faithfulness to God’s Covenant. Hagar was by profession Abraham’s slave. Sarah was his wife. These characteristics would be inherited among the children
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Ishmael was an outgrowth of Abraham’s adultery because he did not have faith in the promise of Jehovah. Isaac was the result Abraham’s faithfulness to his wife and faithfulness to God’s Covenant. Hagar was by profession Abraham’s slave. Sarah was his wife. These characteristics would be inherited among the children
Gen 16:4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Gen 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
In many ways this bring us to the natural disdain between the Jews and Muslims. The Muslims are the offspring of infidelity and their only inheritance can be that which belongs to the Jews. The Arabs will always hate the Jews because the Jews are evidence of Arabic illegitimacy.
Gen 16:6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thine hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
Gen 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Gen 16:8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
Gen 16:9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Here the Arabs are a curse for the Jews. Because do to the Jews infidelity the Muslims have captured the land promised to Abraham. While the Jews attained the Birthright, it is the Muslims, which have taken the Residence. It is still so to this day. The Arabs have grown to a powerful league of nations and the national religion is the among the largest in the world.
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
The Arabic people have followed into Ishmael’s path. They were a core part of several of the ancient empires. Upon the Inception of Islam they quickly rivaled and nearly overcame the Roman Empire. It appeared that they would have the taken the Old Greek Empire of Alexander. Yet it was the curse of Ishmael, which humbled them. The Empire would quickly fall apart into royal power squabbles. Then later, Ghengis Khan slaughter them as they done the same to their enemies. In today’s time, we see that the Al Queda Jihad threats has killed vastly more Muslims than anyone else.
Gen 16:13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Gen 16:14 Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
Gen 16:15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Gen 16:16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
While the Lord indeed has heard Ishmael, He never gave Him the inheritance as he wanted.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
The Jews would be a free-people who God liberated from Egypt
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Yet Ishmael only knows the lifestyle of slave and master. The people of slavery think the only escape from slavery is to conquer others. Yet if this is the only option then mastery is a form of slavery.
Jam 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Jam 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Muslims may argue that they are separate from the world. But how can this be if they desire to conquer it? This is why Muslims can not truly escape evil.
Character)
Allah has thoroughly rejected the title “Father”. He doesn’t desire to relate to man apparently. I believe this is do to the relationship between Ishmael and Abraham. As a Unitarian deity Allah is a lonesome deity.
Pagan origins) Many know of the story of Muhammad and how he was an orphan who grew up in a rich Arabic family. His family was traditionally pagan and they would worship at a pagan temple in Mecca known as the Kaaba. Muhammad was influenced by Christians mostly of a catholic background. Muhammad after his marriage to kadesha would have dreams and visions. These visions inspired Muhammad to clear out the Kaaba of all idols.
Yet Muhammad would refer to God with the name Allah. Allah was the name of his Family idol. It was a moon God. Today all Arabs and Muslims return to Mecca to worship Allah, the same way they would come to the Kaaba. So the pilgrimage directly descends from the Arabic pagan past. We must not forget that even in the Koran Muhammad has a brief relapse into polytheism.
“Now tell me about Al-lat, Aluzza and Manat, The third one, another goddess. What! For you the males and for him the females! That indeed is an unfair division.” Sura an-Najm (star) 53:19-22
These are famously known as the Satanic verses. Muhammad’s famous biography (The Life of Muhammad) has an interesting excuse.
“Then God sent down ‘By the star when it sets your comrade errs not and is not decieved, he speaks not from his own desire,’ and when he reached His words ‘Have you thought of al-lat and al-‘Uzza and Manat the third, the other, Satan, when he was meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it. (sc. Reconciliation) to his people, put upon his tongue ‘these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved.’ When Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the prostration and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, and the polytheist of Qurash and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated…
“Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said “What have you done Muhammad? You have read these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what he did not say to you. The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue.”
The Life of Muhammad pg.165-166
Alberto Rivera’s story) Alberto Rivera is certainly a controversial figure. Alberto was a bishop in the Jesuit school of Catholicism. He had partaken in many years of espionage for the Vatican as well as research the Vatican library for several years. In the adult comic book “The Prophet” published by Jack Chick, Alberto makes the claim that Roman Catholicism was instrumental in the set up and design of the Islamic religion helping to prop up the prophet Muhammad. This was their rational.
a. To gain influence over the vastly populated pagan Bedouins
b. To set up a militant army without direct links to Catholicism in order to destroy its enemies
c. To take out eastern orthodox rivals
d. To take out Donatist (north African Christian) rivals
e. To conquer Jerusalem
Yet admittedly the RCC lost control of these armies who the sought out conquering the Holy Roman Empire. At which point the Pope wage the crusades against the Muslims.
Now this author has accepted Alberto’s controversial testimony since his accounts have always been able to line up with my knowledge of history and church history. However, this report is slightly different since it is based upon his research and not personal testimony. I think that the Vatican could have magnified it’s role in the records from there admittedly secret perspective. Not to be confused with the churches official position; of having nothing to do with it.
Muhammad was a patriotic Arab, I think He wanted to set up an Empire which would eventually conquer Rome. Rome probably had planned to prop up this religion and they probably financed the Muslims which explains their rapid ascent to power. However, they did not have the influence, which they desired over Muhammad.
I believe Catholicism did influence the start of Islam for the following reasons.
A. Most “Christians” Muhammad was exposed to were in fact catholic.
B. The idea of Kadesha as a nun prior to meeting Muhammad is not outlandish since there is mystery concerning her early life and why an older woman would marry a young man and push him as a prophet.
C. Why would Kadesha’s cousin Waraqah who was a literate Christian and most likely Catholic not want muhammad to be first Baptized before he was anointed a prophet? Or at least being baptized a Christian at all? If the church did not want another religion started then why would these Catholics be so supportive of a virtually pagan prophet?
Intro. C32 “ …She went and consulted her cousin Waraqah, a devout worshipper of Allah in the faith of Christ, Learned in spiritual lore. He listened and with her rejoiced that he Muhammad was Allah’s Chosen one to renew the faith.”
D. The Koran does have an awkward over-emphasis of Mary. This is odd especially since they deny the sonship, deity, crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ.
E. While Medieval Catholicism and Islam were socially and theologically different they are politically identical. They are empire religions, which take from Old pagan traditions of their culture and push an exclusive monotheism and theocracy.
F. Islam did accomplish a strong military in rapid speed.
G. Islam focused on Catholicisms enemies and defeated exactly who was threatening them at the time.
It is said by Alberto that the Vatican and the Ayatollah’s have enough evidence on each other to destroy both faiths. So the two have sought a general peace.
Prophecy)
The Ishmaelites were not faithful to the God of the Bible, but instead worshipped pagan deities. Such as the moon god Allah. The Arabs were a pagan people and Muhammad was a pagan Arab who was never baptized. Before one can be accepted as a prophet, Muhammad should be capable of showing that he has authority to be a prophet. The Torah has very clear directions on how to recognize a prophet.
Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Here it is obvious that a prophet must recognize the true God Jehovah, regardless of whether or not they perform miracles. (LORD is another word used in place of Jehovah) If Allah is not truly equivalent to Jehovah then Muhammad must be a false teacher.
Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
Deu 18:14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
Another feature of the Old Testament is that they are to be unique and holy in opposition to the practices of the surrounding pagan nations. This could be a disqualifying factor since the Arabs had practiced paganism.
Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The Koran makes the claim that Muhammad is the Prophet of Bible Prophesy. However though Ishmailites are distant relatives they are not the Jews brethren. They are of Abraham, but not Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.
Not only this but the NT has several directions on how to recognize prophecy.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
If Christ really were a prophet, it would be obvious that His Word would be true and the prophets after him would be Christian.
Muhammad however claims a pagan background and there is no record of His Baptism. Jesus was both baptized and circumcised; He followed the Law of the Old Testament make it appropriate to initiate the new Covenant.
Muhammad appropriate contact with Christians, since he was not a Jew or a Christian it is obvious that he was not qualified to be a prophet. Also the question remains as to what prophecies did he fulfill?
Relations)
Ishmael was abandoned by His Father Abraham. In like manner muslims have a distant relationship to Allah. Because Allah has no children
Surah 6:101 “To Him is due The primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when he have no consort? He created all things, and he hath full knowledge of all things.”
Surah 9:30 “The Jews call ‘Uzayr[ezra] a son of God, and the Christians Call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate What they unbelievers of old use to say. Allah’s curse be on them; how they are deluded from the Truth!”
For Muslims who are interested they should read my article “What the Bible teaches on the incarnation”
Sin and Forgiveness
In the Old Testament it was essential to have a sacrificial system.
Sin started in the very beginning and sin has always had the price of death.
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The only way for the penalty of sin to be paid is with the shedding of blood.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
We know that all have sinned because of death.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Psa 14:2 The LORD[jehovah] looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
This acknowledge in the introduction to the text
“C.3 -But, created though he was in the best of moulds, Man fell from Unity when his Will was warped, And he chose the crooked path of Discord”"koran"
Substance)
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Exo 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
While it is true that Jehovah and Allah are both one in essences. Jehovah however is three persons instead of one.
Christ and why this effects how we know God)
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The Holy Bible is clear that the way of knowing the Father is by knowing the Son.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Where did the Holy Ghost Go?
The Muslims teach that Muhammad was the fulfillment of the Bible prophecy that has been traditional attributed to the Holy Spirit.
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
If Muhammad fulfilled this prophecy it would be false. The Apostles never met Muhammad. Instead Muhammad did not come for 700 years the Christians would have been abandoned by God.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Muhammad fails here as well, he did not have faith in Jesus because to him Jesus was another man.
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
If Muhammad were the Spirit of Truth, then why are his followers allowed to break covenant with non-muslims? Once again how can Muhammad guide the apostles in “all Truth”?
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
How has Muhammad glorified Christ? HE has stripped him of every title except for prophet. The only miracle left to him is only his birth. He has not glorified but humiliated.
This claim fails miserably after all Jesus elsewhere discusses the Holy Spirit.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
First we see the word proceed from the Father, this means coming directly from God. Yet Allah has no children according to the Koran. So if Muhammad proceeded from the Father then it would contradict the Koran.
The Bible’s teaching concerning the Arabs
“When the Lad was grown up, he married a wife by birth an Egyptian, from whence the mother was herself derived originally. Of this wife were born to Ismael twelve sons: Nabaioth, Kedar, Abdeel, Mabsam, Idumas, Masmaos, Masaos, Chodad, Theman, Jetur, Naphesus, Cadmus. These inhabited all the country from the Euphrates to the Red Sea, and called it Nabatene. They are an Arabian nation, and name there tribes from these, both because of the diginity of Abraham their father.” Flavius Josephus the Antiquity of the Jews. Chapter 12.4
The twelve princes
1. Nebajoth)”heights” father of Nabateans, his sister married Esau who start the Edomites.
2. Kedar) “dark” father of northern Arabic bedouins. Nomadic tribes known for their black haired tents.
3. Adbeel) “chastened of God”
4. Mibsam) “sweet odour”
5. Mishma) “a hearing”
6. Dumah) “silence” A tribe living near Judah. Probably intermingled with Esauas descendents making the Edomites.
7. Massa) “burden” The land of this tribe would be the place where Israel tempted God, and Moses struck the rock..
8. Hadar) “honour”
9. Tema) “desert”
10. Jetur) “enclosed” warred with Israel east of Jordan. Tribe also known as Ituraea.
11. Naphish) “refreshment”
12. Kedemah) “original” an eastern tribe.
One may noticed that Arabic Region was named after Nabajoth (nabatene). This shows the different path of the Arabic family than the Jewish tribes. The Arabs were a very natural people. They lived a life that did not require faith.
Ishmael was not the only father of the Arabs, sense Esau’s descendents married into many tribes. Esau also brought a family reputation.
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Abraham’s unfaithful descendants wanted a birthright which they unintentionally had already given away. Their envy of the jews would only sink them farther.
Psa 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Psa 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Psa 83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Psa 83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
Psa 83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
Psa 83:9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
Psa 83:10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
Psa 83:11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
Psa 83:12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
Psa 83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
Psa 83:14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
Psa 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
Psa 83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
Psa 83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
There is a curse upon the Arabic/Islamic people. They have conspired against the Jews and have been unfaithful to God. As long as they do not recognize Jehovah, they will always be a curse unto themselves. Why else has the Ismaelite been so gifted with money, ancestry and power and yet so pathetic at doing anything with it? The largest religion, the highest price commodities, the most militant tribes; yet the majority of Muslims across the world are considered third world. Why do the Christian nations not have people who want to immigrate to Muslim nations? Because Islam is curse and they do not know their father Jehovah. Muslim people are like the prodigal son.
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
The children of Ishmael and followers of their idol Allah have spent their inheretance upon a dying world. They claim to be rich, and yet are quite poor. They know they have sinned against Jehovah. They know they have spilled rivers of blood from the Jews and Christians. They may think that God the father would know longer take them in. Yet the Lord Jehovah loves them and would gladly take them back. But Jehovah would not simply want the Muslims to come to Him as a slave. Jehovah desires to adopt the Muslims into his kingdom. To give them the inheritance that they strove for as a gift instead of a trophy. Many “Christians” have born ill-will towards Muslims. Yet it is these Christians who have been on the side of the Father and yet so caught up in their works that they never enjoyed the inheritance of salvation that was offered to them.
Those who are true children of the Lord long to be united with Arabs and Muslims in the Holy Family of Jehovah. If only they knew Jehovah’s desire to redeem them. If only they knew that Christ did not come to simply condemn the world.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
In the final analysis Muhammad was an idealistic but troubled man. Muhammad unlike the Biblical prophets was unsure as to whether the spirits, which visited him, were angelic or demonic. After doing the research for this book a highly doubt that Muhammad really ever read the New Testament. How else could any one be confident that Jesus was a prophet and at the same time deny his main prophesies concerning himself as the Son of God and the Resurrection? Muhammad was illiterate and his followers wrote his sacred book. In the end Muhammad was as fatherless as Ishmael worshipping a lesser light and never being capable of reaching that which is the true light.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Believe in Christ and you will be saved.(John 3:16-18). Also feel free to read my other articles specifically "are you sure?"
Any questions feel free to email me at mslv4gd@yahoo.com
In Christ,
Bro. Matt
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
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Yes,
both are false names...although Allah is much older....back to the 7th Century. Jehovah was first mistakenly used in 1270 AD
Jehovah is used by Bible beating hypocrites in Kentucky LOL
DT,
It is amazing how illiterate you are.
You have nothing to say. I guess you support Islam. Sionce you have nothing to say about it. That's why your European Catholic Bishops and the Cardinal in D.C. have been Calling God Allah.
“The mystic name which is called the tetragrammaton… is pronounced JEHOVAH (lejovah), which means, who is, and who shall be.” -Nicetas, Bishop of Heraclea, 2nd century, from Catena on the Pentateuch, published in Latin By Francis Zephyrus, p 146
As you can see from this quote you are easily off by 1000 years at least.
Also the pronunciation of tetragrammaton to Jehovah used in the Psalms actual rimes.
Yet yahweh actually does not.
Seriously,
Do you believe that muhammad is the Prophet of God and that Jesus is not the Son of God? BEcause that is what I am teaching here. And you must always stand against me, it would be safe to assume that you must now be Islamic.
If not why?
"Since you don't have an ORIGINAL source for your quote, everyone will assume that you are lying. This is good because- well... you are."
“The mystic name which is called the tetragrammaton… is pronounced JEHOVAH (lejovah), which means, who is, and who shall be.” -Nicetas, Bishop of Heraclea, 2nd century, from Catena on the Pentateuch, published in Latin By Francis Zephyrus, p 146
It seems original enough to me. All that's missing is the latin language.
May be you can't handle the truth because, well.. you can't.
goto
www.pronouncingtheneme.xanga.com
sunday may 27, 2007
"pronouncing the divine name of God"
"The mispronunciation of Jehovah is not present in any document prior to the late 13th century and all of the other beliefs of your silly religion came centuries after that."
Besides the fact that the masoretic text existed well before the thirteenth century.
And besides the fact that you are encapable of debunk my source for this bishop.
The Waldensians were able to publish a confession of similar faith to mine in 1100 A.D. 400 years before the reformation. 400 years before Trent. 800 years before vatican 1 and 2 and 1996 when The Pope declare evolution compatible with Catholicism.
I think I have had my comic relief for the day.
you hurry now...you don't want to be late for your Klan rally
You know when you show how ignorant you are to resort to this type of tactic, you are really embarassing yourself and not me. So go ahead and be the bigot you are.
LOL
Did not the Ku Klux Klan come from southern states such as Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky? Did it not come as a redneck outgrowth of Southern baptists?
That is why most people laugh out loud when you say that your band of Bible beating redneck bottom feeders resemble the new testament church.
Ya'll gonna gather up yonder by butcher holler and hand some negros?
LOL
BY the way KKK is a secret society.
It was an outgrowth of the confederate army.
The Confederate army used a flag with the St. Andrews Cross recognized by Catholics.
Ironically John wilkes booth and all his conspirators that shot lincoln were devout catholics.
While the KKK was not officially started by the Mason leader Albert Pike. There is much evidence of his direct influence upon them. The free masonry cult originated with the Bavarian illuminati through Jesuit schools/institutions. The occult knowledge of freemasonry was gathered from the Vatican libraries.
States with a large historic KKK base typically have a large Roman Catholic Population.
Such as Louisiana, Indiana, Georgia etc.
The Majority of black churches during this time period were baptist of a landmark persuasion.
BTW. Kentucky was not part of the confederacy it was neutral.
KY was the home of a civilrights leader in the 1800's name Cassius Clay. Another man was born with his name but is known across the world as Muhammed ali. Ali was born in my town of Louisville.
Also. the Catholic church forbids it's members from joining secret societies but I know LOADS of Baptists who are masons.
It fits their godless religiousity well
Anti-Catholic = Anti-Christ.
Luke 10:16
Are there any questions?
There is only 1 true Church and the Bible calls it Ekklesia Kath Olos (LITERALLY: The Catholic Church) Acts 9:31.
Outside the Roman Catholic Church there is no Salvation.
"Seriously....you are one stupid, paranoid uneducated slob
....nust be because you are not a christian"
While you are trying to figure out what I "nust be".
I am wonder what if any qualifications you have as an educated resource.
"The frothing candy @$$ed pansy is just what you need when you crave a good laugh."
DT is always quick to ignore the judge not philosophy when it comes to his commentaries. Giving His "R" rated commentaries in order to educate children on foul language.
DT also never desires to give away his identity. Much like Islamic terrorist. DT is so brave that on this article he has refuse to make a single crack about Islam since he is afraid of them.
"Just today columnist Mark Levin talked about how the modern assault on American religious freedom was started by an anti-catholic bigot klansman like you in 1947."
If you knew the history of America, religious persecution started prior to the American revolution from congregationalist/puritans and episcopaliens onto baptist as well as quakers.
btw. I separated from the southern baptist church because of issues like masonic ties.
You stay in your group because you worship your church and I worship God.
"Also. the Catholic church forbids it's members from joining secret societies but I know LOADS of Baptists who are masons."
if you look at my former schoolmate jay's websight nicenetruth.com even a staunch catholic convert such as himself has notticed catholic priest who have been participating in masonic rituals.
Knights of Columbus by nature is the catholic alternative to the freemason secret society. so then it is onvious that it would be a catholic secret society.
But it's not like the catholic church has no secrets.
What about the Jesuits? what was the name of Loyola's group when he was brought before the inquisitor?
What about opus dei?
What about Catholic Action?
What about the mafia?
What about Santerria?
give me a break!
There is only 1 true Church and the Bible calls it Ekklesia Kath Olos (LITERALLY: The Catholic Church) Acts 9:31.
"Acts 9:31
31 Then * #ste had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified ; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied .
H men oun "ekklhsia kaq olh"? th? Ioudaia? kai Galilaia? kai Samareia? eicen eirhnhn, oikodomoumenh kai poreuomenh tw fobw tou kuriou, kai th paraklhsei tou agiou pneumato? eplhquneto.
Strong's Number: 1577
Original Word Word Origin
ejkklhsiva from a compound of (1537) and a derivative of (2564)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ekklesia 3:501,394
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ek-klay-see'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition
a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating
the assembly of the Israelites
any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously
in a Christian sense
an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake
those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body
the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven
King James Word Usage - Total: 118
church 115, assembly 3
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2596
Original Word Word Origin
katav a primary particle
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Kata None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
kat-ah' Preposition
Definition
down from, through out
according to, toward, along
King James Word Usage - Total: 480
according to 107, after 61, against 58, in 36, by 27, daily + (2250)&version=kjv 15, as 11, miscellaneous 165
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3650
Original Word Word Origin
o&loß a primary word
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Holos 5:174,682
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
hol'-os Adjective
Definition
all, whole, completely
King James Word Usage - Total: 112
all 65, whole 43, every whit 2, altogether 1, throughout + (1223)&version=kjv 1
btw this could not have referred to the catholic church idea since Christians at passover had already gone home and were residing all over the mediterranean and asia and the middle east.
YO0u are once again a proven liar.
First of all, you lose any credibility when you use the KJV 666, Secondly, the term is Ekklesia Kath olos and is the same term used by Ignatius (who knew the Apostles personally) in 110 AD, when he wrote "where Christ is, there is His Catholic Church" to the Smyreans.
So...you lose...again.
Outside the Catholic Church, there is no salvation.
You rail against the muslims but you are heading for the same hell. Shouldn't you give up your hillbilly hick religion and become a Christian?
Use the Douai version and you will avoid these silly translation errors.
"First of all, you lose any credibility when you use the KJV 666, Secondly, the term is Ekklesia Kath olos and is the same term used by Ignatius (who knew the Apostles personally) in 110 AD, when he wrote "where Christ is, there is His Catholic Church" to the Smyreans.
So...you lose...again."
Who are you to say I have no credibility. Shouldn't you have credibility before you deny it to others. All you are is a coward who runs around with a fake name. I have repeatedly exposed your lies.
I didn't stop at the KJV either I looked to the Greek which is more than what the Douy rheims does. it is only based on latin Vulgate"version" of the Bible.
Use the Douai version and you will avoid these silly translation errors.
If the Douy Rheims was such a great "translation" then why doewsn't your "infallible" Catholic church use it exclusively?
you then have to go running like a coward to church history because you know that you know that the phrase "Catholic church" is not in the Bible.
Just because Ignatius may have known a few disciples does not mean he was inspired.
The Demons knew of Paul that doesn't give them the right to add to scripture!
Let's face the facts.
You can't comment on Islam or any other group because you are very ignorant of anything outside of protestant name calling.
I know all about Islam but the issue here is hypocrisy. I'm not going to defend you because you are just as much of a godless heretic as the average muslim.
I have more religious knowledge in my pinkie finger than you have in your whole body, hillbilly boy. So go back to playin' yer banjo and leave the tough stuff to me.
capische?
Ekklesia Kath olos
you know what it means, klan boy...and it's killing you, you redneck sissie
You are still a protestant baptist so your heresey remains.
So go back to yer barn in butcher holler and shut up
By the way, you expose your ignorance by stating that the Tetragrammaton (which has no vowels) is pronounced Jehovah....ignorant hillbilly
No response?
You sure are a sissy. I bet the girls even scare you.
and I have no problem using Church History. It is certainly as valid as Scripture.
You have to be one of the 5 stupidest people I have ever met. It is staggering how ignorant, uneducated and functionally illiterate you are.
I will bet you couldn't formulate a cogent argument if I spotted you the first 10 words.
redneck imbecile
Still believe babies are demonic, you frothing heretical anti-christ?
I'm glad there is no one stupid enough to believe you are a christian.
Ahhhh...You had to run like a coward to the writings of Josepus. Are they inspired?
Ha ha lol
See how this Kentucky hayseed gets caught in his own hypocritical trap?
LOL
Ignorant hillbilly
LOL
So, explain this to me. We condemn the Muslims (and rightly so) for following a heathenistic religion, followed by assorted airplane bombers and backpack bomb killers, that was mad up out of thin air by a godless heretic in the 7th century. Yet, you don't think we should condemn protestants for following a heathenistic religion, mainly followed by barefoot, banjo picking inbred hypocrites, and made up out of thin air by a godless heretic in the 16th century?
Cognitive dissonance if I ever heard it.
I like your crack that most Christians at the time of Muhammed were Catholics. No, Klem, ALL Christians at that time were Catholics. All Christians since the time of Christ have been Catholics. Protestants aren't Christians, they are heretics.
"I know all about Islam but the issue here is hypocrisy."
The title of this article "Is Allah The Same as Jehovah?"
You can't comment on Islam or answer the question because you are ignorant and fearful of the muslims.
"By the way, you expose your ignorance by stating that the Tetragrammaton (which has no vowels) is pronounced Jehovah....ignorant hillbilly"
The Massoretic Text carefully inserted the vowels carefully preserved through jewish oral tradition. Fulfilling the scriptures. Romans 3:2
Iknow you are but what am I??
"So, explain this to me. We condemn the Muslims (and rightly so) for following a heathenistic religion, followed by assorted airplane bombers and backpack bomb killers, that was mad up out of thin air by a godless heretic in the 7th century. Yet, you don't think we should condemn protestants for following a heathenistic religion, mainly followed by barefoot, banjo picking inbred hypocrites, and made up out of thin air by a godless heretic in the 16th century?"
I also condemn the catholic mafia who are paying off some of these terrorist as well.
Just remember that pickin a bang\jo is lot better than what you are pickin at every night!!
"I like your crack that most Christians at the time of Muhammed were Catholics. No, Klem, ALL Christians at that time were Catholics. All Christians since the time of Christ have been Catholics. Protestants aren't Christians, they are heretics."
The Waldensees whom your people murdered will be laughing at you come judgement day.
Now, now....you'll be late for your klan meeting with jim bob and joe bob....
better run along...pussy
Just remember...hell is going to hurt you....a lot
tell ya what klan boy. I'll bet you $1000 you can't produce any credible evidence of ''jehovah'' being used before the 13th century.
You know it's a lie as much as I do...just like everything else in your heretical, non-christian cult
Don't hold your breath waiting for this hillbilly to back up his nonsense.
Hey! but I found a picture of him!
http://www.yosemite-sam.net/Sam/Relatives/Hillbilly-Hare.JPG
Matt is the one on the right.
lol
Besides the fact that the masoretic text existed well before the thirteenth century.
And besides the fact that you are encapable of debunk my source for this bishop.
<<<< The word is "incapable", you illiterate retard and that is called a burden of proof fallacy. Any first year debater knows that the burden of proof falls on the person MAKING the claim. Didn't teach you that at Bob's bait and tackle and theology shack? LOL
You will find no credible evidence of the use of the mispronunciation "Jehovah" prior to the 13th century
because it does not exist. You know it, I know it and I know you know it and you know that I know that you know it. >>>>>>
where did you go, hillbilly?
Hey...Did you know your buddy John Calvin murdered people for masturbating? Yep....there is scarcely a person you follow who wasn't a murderer, pervert, misogynist and blasphemer.
and they were ALL liars.....
... just like you.
" Deeper Truth said...
where did you go, hillbilly?
Hey...Did you know your buddy John Calvin murdered people for masturbating? Yep....there is scarcely a person you follow who wasn't a murderer, pervert, misogynist and blasphemer.
and they were ALL liars.....
... just like you."
The problem is I don't follow John Calvin. On my Radio program I'd discussed my many differences with John Calvin. Besides I follow Christ and am bound to no other man.
But keep the hate up it isw really making your church look good.
In Christ,
Matt
"<<<< The word is "incapable", you illiterate retard and that is called a burden of proof fallacy. Any first year debater knows that the burden of proof falls on the person MAKING the claim. Didn't teach you that at Bob's bait and tackle and theology shack? LOL"
"both are false names...although Allah is much older....back to the 7th Century. Jehovah was first mistakenly used in 1270 AD"
So the durden of proof is on you. You must prove that jehovah was not the name of God by showing proof that there was another name for God.
and show me proof that it was the original pronunciation.
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