Saturday, April 23, 2022

Can we trust in Dever's Gospel? A critique of "The Gospel and Personal Salvation"

 



"Here's what I understand the good news to be: The good news is that the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him. But we sinned and cut ourselves off from him. In his great love, God became a man in Jesus, lived a perfect life. and died on the cross, thus fulfilling the law himself and taking on himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in him.  He rose again from the dead, showing that God accepted Christ's sacrifice and that God's wrath against us has been exhausted.  He now calls us to repent of our sins and trust in Christ alone for our  forgiveness,  If we repent of our sins and trust in Christ, we are born again into a new life, an eternal life with God."  pg.43  The gospel & Personal Evangelism

"First, we tell people with honesty that if they repent and believe, they will be saved. But they will need to repent, and it will be costly.  We must be accurate in what we say, not holding any important parts back that seem to us awkward and off putting," pg 55

What is repentance?  It is turning from the sins you love to the Holy God your called to love. It is admitting that your not God.  It is beginning to value Jesus more than your immediate pleasure.  It is giving up those things the bible calls sin and leaving them to follow Jesus." pg 57


Here are excerpts from Mark Dever's 2007 book.  It is interesting that Dever has been accused of compromising with CRT as Lord ship salvation has proponents in his circle who are steering in a social gospel direction.


A.  "Here's what I understand the good news to be: The good news is that the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him. But we sinned and cut ourselves off from him. In his great love, God became a man in Jesus, lived a perfect life. and died on the cross, thus fulfilling the law himself and taking on himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in him.  He rose again from the dead, showing that God accepted Christ's sacrifice and that God's wrath against us has been exhausted.  He now calls us to repent of our sins and trust in Christ alone for our  forgiveness,  If we repent of our sins and trust in Christ, we are born again into a new life, an eternal life with God."  pg.43  The gospel & Personal Evangelism

 1 Cor. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
  The Gospel, being good news as Paul teaches it is rather simple.  It is a series of propositions to be believed as opposed to Commandments to follow."
romans 1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
   If the Good News of Salvation is the actual power of God to save us.  Then the Gospel is exclusively what we need for salvation.


"the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him"
Now, elsewhere I have come to understand that the Spiritual nature of the Bible outside of the Gospel is focused upon Sanctifying Man.  But the Gospel revelation is unique in the sense that it is designed for Justifying man. 
   The knowledge that man is created in the image or likeness of God, does not justify man in his actions.  It may sanctify man in the sense of the motivation that to live more naturally should be to live more godly.  But if the image of God justifies Man then man would be partially justified.  But how can man only be partially reckoned to be righteous?  Being part righteous does not make one righteous.
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 But we sinned and cut ourselves off from him. In his great love, God became a man in Jesus, lived a perfect life. and died on the cross, thus fulfilling the law himself and taking on himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in him"
 "But we sinned " seems to contradict the good news of creation.  This makes the gospel turn paradoxical.  If the gospel appears irrational, then we can never have assurance of salvation, because assurance is based upon certainty. We sinned is the the reason we need the good news, but it is not in and of itself good news.
"In his Great love God became a man in Jesus,"
        Obviously Mark is pointing to the incarnation of Christ.   However, why add a theologically proper doctrine of God to the exclusion of others?  Once we have made this step, it appears that other doctrines in the same vain are unnecessary. But that is not the case.
    For instance, one of the great heresies recognized by the early church was called adoptionism taught by the proponents of Gnosticism.  It taught that God was a spirit and this spirit took over a man Jesus.  The problem with this view is simply the fact if Jesus were only a man possessed by God, then his bodily sacrifice would not have a value to atone for the sins of all mankind.
"taking on himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in him"
  The start of this clause is good discussing the punishment for sins.  However, there is a clause "of all those".  This is limiting not the effect of salvation but the initial offer of salvation.  Now this is evidence by Mark Dever's reputation as a Calvinist proposing the doctrine of limited atonement.  Now if the atonement is limited then you are not offered even an opportunity to accept christ, because christ is not offering you salvation.  you have to meet certain qualification before beginning have any option other than your destiny of damnation eternally.  These qualifications so far are turn and trust; which are obviously so far vague. 
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He now calls us to repent of our sins and trust in Christ alone for our  forgiveness"
"us"  here is not everyone because of what calvinists call election.  he is calling people who already "turn and trust" to "repent of our sins".
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If we repent of our sins and trust in Christ, we are born again into a new life, an eternal life with God."   So regeneration here is conditioned not on faith alone but on repentance of sins.
titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

B. "First, we tell people with honesty that if they repent and believe, they will be saved. But they will need to repent, and it will be costly.  We must be accurate in what we say, not holding any important parts back that seem to us awkward and off putting,
" pg 55
   Here Mark hammers the point across he is being very specific, so he is responsible for what he is saying.  Faith is not alone and repentance is costly.  If this is salvation and it is costly then salvation is not free.
Matthew 17:
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee."
Matthew 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."


2 cor. 11:7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


C. Now let us consider what is repentance of sin?
To repent is to make a decision in our heart.   God actually repents.
Genesis 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
Jonah 3:And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
       So repentance by itself as a word does not suppose sin.  and it can be that people say they need to repent of their unbelief to be saved.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

  However, repentance of sins changes the context entirely.   To understand repentance of sin we should look at the great teacher of Repentance of sin.  John The Baptist.
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? 11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. 12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. 14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. 15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not; 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: 17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. 18 And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people."
   Repentance is about stopping bad works and doing good works.  if you are not working it is worthy of repentance.
Another aspect of repentance of sin is the nature of what sin is.
1 john 3:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
Therefore to repent of sin is to follow the law.  Thus we would need to be law-keepers to be saved.

Another issue is the fact of John the Baptist, was he under the mosaic covenant and therefore an old testament prophet?
Matthew 11:
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."

So the gospels show the Christ and the apostles under the Old Covenant with John the Baptist

2. We have several christians separating the time of Christ from the age of grace.
john 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
john 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Romans 15:
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name."
Galatians 2;
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

Ephesians 3:
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
The burden of the Law was part of Jewish life.  But it does not bind christians under grace specifically as it relates to salvation.

Romans 7:1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

Hebrews 7:9
 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;



"What is repentance?  It is turning from the sins you love to the Holy God your called to love. It is admitting that your not God.  It is beginning to value Jesus more than your immediate pleasure.  It is giving up those things the bible calls sin and leaving them to follow Jesus." pg 57

Jeremiah 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them."
     Is God repenting of his sins?  If God is repenting of his sins then who is He repenting to? To himself and how could God repent toward himself and How could he be wrong while always being right?

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
  Once again id Mark Dever wanting us to believe that God "is admitting that" He "is not God"??? 
         Of course not!  He is only dealing with repentance of sin and then making it a universal topic in hopes of making it soteriological axiom, in others he wants to make it necessary for getting saved!
As mankind fell in sin God had to change the consequences according to the behavior. When you take the bible according to it's context, then the bible makes sense!!

D. Assurance
1 john 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

  Does Dever's Lordship provide us with a certainty of salvation?
"I was undecided for years. I spent probably two to four years (depending on how I count) considering the claims of Christ. I understand now John 3:36 that as long as I was unbelieving, God's wrath remained on me. But at the same time I was reading the Bible and thinking about following Christ. From a theological standpoint I would now say that God was drawing me. But at the time, the Christians around me could see only I was "undecided" and that is all I could see of myself."  pg 84
Now these passages are not meant to steer christians wrong as much as just discussing evangelism.  But when we see the presuppositions of "new calvinism" (lordship salvation + regeneration precedes faith). We will find a confusion of normal evangelism and soul winning.
first...
john 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
similarly.....
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
 We see the logic of salvation sealed tight, when you don't believe then you are not saved.  When you do believe, you are saved.
" But at the same time I was reading the Bible and thinking about following Christ. From a theological standpoint I would now say that God was drawing me"
     If you believe that you were born again, prior to believing then getting saved becomes less definite, after all maybe you are simply being drawn and not fully "saved", or maybe you going to be saved because you have been drawn!  Now Dever is not fully going this way but based on other texts he is en route.

"Not only was I an "undecided" but I was also a 'wait '  A 'wait' is a lot like an 'undecided' ; both waiting and not deciding have some similarities.  those who are undecided. But they may wait but they may wait simply because they don't want the consequences of a decision. A "wait" could be a person who doesn't want to close the door on Christian faith by rejecting it, at least not yet.  Or he could be a person who doesn't want to repent of sins at least not yet.  Such people may not be self consciously undecided, but they want freedom from having to make a decision for whatever reason, they want more time"
2 Corinthians 6:1 
We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)"
The character of repentance changes when we consider repentance of sin vs repentance to faith.   repentance of sin is ongoing while repentance to faith is instantaneous!
hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
". A "wait" could be a person who doesn't want to close the door on Christian faith by rejecting it, at least not yet.  Or he could be a person who doesn't want to repent of sins at least not yet.  "
     If regeneration does not take place before faith, then the demand is works based salvation and man can not merit salvation.  That means that Dever would be placing believers in the unbelief category also.
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

E. Regeneration is immediate to faith and that means that salvation is instantaneous.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
1 john 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."
     Repentance of all sin is not sustainable in due to the christian having sinful/carnal flesh as well as immaturity.

Romans 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."
1 cor. 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.  6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

2. The biblical Gospel is complete in it's ability to save.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house."

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Conclusion:
Mark Dever has fame and a great reputation in conservative circles.  But looking at this book he does not deserve it.  Because he is providing several holes in his gospel presentation which can mislead the saved and worse yet mislead the lost.  This is a Pastor who has influence over hundreds of Pastors.

james 3:My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation."

We must not contradict the true saving Gospel!!!!





Tuesday, March 22, 2022

B.H.S Biblical Historical Science Volume 1

 The 1800's gave the western civilization a new empire of thought.  An entire Empire of thought.  These disciplines can over whelm the mind especially when applied to youth.  
   And so it has been used to erode away the protestant foundation of an American worldview.   When christians try to give people the gospel, they have left them intellectually naked as the gospel was left without biblical context and placed in the package of marketing. then delivered to a palace with no room offered to Christ.
       We have to understand the weight of knowledge before we decide how to organize what we have learned.  How do we know what we know?  The Atheist Philosopher Frederic Nietzsche put for the concept of two wills: The will to Power and the will to Truth.  The will to power is the motivation in life to obtained more power.  The will to truth is the motivation to find and adhere to the truth.   In Nietzsche's Atheistic worldview there is no objective truth.  therefore we should focus on obtaining power in life.  As a Christian I take the opposite approach.  The will to power is destructive and self and the Truth comes from God.  Therefore we live in light of the Judgement of God and seek to find the truth to follow Him.  Now when we apply these principles to the topic  we look and see how much these sources of information are effected by the will to power and which by the will to truth to determine the most accurate levels of information.  Thus I argue that the revelation of scripture is the most accurate as it comes from God, logic would follow,  then History, then Science,  Politics and finally Economics.
     I completed this series sometime ago but wanted to give individual attention to this first volume.  The reason being that even though it is just introducing concepts.  I feel people need to take these first steps before proceeding further.  And dealing with the that freshman college level.







Biblical Historical Science Vol. 1.
Chapter 1. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/04/bhs-biblical-historical-science-my.html

sets the intellectual stage for those of us raised in secularism to renew our mind

http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/04/bhs-biblical-historical-science-my.html


     http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/04/god-as-historical-character.html
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/04/god-as-historical-character.html

Discussion of God should first be a matter of Historical record and the philosophical implications should be dealt with after we have confirmed the record.

3
.  bible smack: "Darwin is dead" looking at the origin of species  

http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2012/12/darwin-is-dead-looking-at-origin-of.html

Darwin's record should be evaluated as it was originally proposed; If it fails, then it should loose authority even though still considered.

4.  bible smack: Rock of Ages!!!
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/02/rock-of-ages.html

A historical evaluation of uniformitarian geology.


  5.  bible smack: The spirit of evolution; (theistic evolution)   
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-spirit-of-evolution-theistic.html

Theistic evolution was the original form of evolutionary thought and should be evaluated.


6.  bible smack: Manuscripts, Translations and the "Perfect Bible". 
textual criticism is an art that developed during the period where evolution was first developing.   theistic evolution obviously bled the philosophy into our understanding of scripture.



http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/04/manuscripts-translations-and-perfect.html

7.  bible smack: What the Heavens declare  

http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/05/what-heavens-declare.html
Criticism of the Big bang theory

















Friday, November 5, 2021

Indiana baptist History: When Revival Tarries

 http://www.indianabaptisthistory.org/1839-bethlehem-primitive-baptist-church-organized.html


1798

Silver Creek Church constituted. First non-Catholic church in Indiana territory.
READ HISTORY

1809
Whitewater Association formed.

1812
Silver Creek Association formed. It was the third Baptist Assc. formed in the state.

1816
Blue River Association formed.
Laughery Association formed.

1822
Flat Rock Association formed.
Little Pigeon Association formed.
Salem Association formed.

1823
The Liberty Baptist Church of Howell, Indiana was organized. Benoni Stinson

1824
Liberty Association formed.
Union Association formed.

1825
Bedford Association formed. [estimated, date not verified]
Benoni Stinson establishes a "preaching platform" in Warrick County, IN.
Eel River Association formed.
Lost River Association formed.
White River Association formed. [estimated, date not verified]

1827
Coffee Creek Association formed.
Danville Association formed.
Lebanon Association formed. [estimated, date not verified]

1828
First Mt. Pleasant Church organized. Johnson County, Indiana
Indianapolis Association formed.

1829
Walnut Grove Baptist Church built in Owen Twp., Warrick County, Indiana

1832

Franklin Baptist Church organized.  READ HISTORY
Madison Association formed.
Sugar Creek Association formed.

1833
Tippecanoe Association formed.

1834
Curry's Prairie Association formed.

1835
Bloomington Association formed.
Brownstown Association formed.
White Lick Association formed.

1836
Northern Indiana Association formed.

Lick Spring Baptist Church organized. READ HISTORY

1837
Bethel Association formed.

1839
Greenwood Baptist Church organized.

Bethel Primitive Baptist Church organized.  READ HISTORY

1839 Bethel Primitive Baptist Church organized

BETHEL PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH

As noted elsewhere, this church, then known as the Bethel Regular Baptist church, was organized in the thirties, obtaining a church site from Zelek McQuinn on the 25th day of May, 1839. It is located five miles south of Franklin on the Franklin and Nineveh road, and has a substantial brick house of worship. It is the strongest and best known church of the Primitive Baptist faith in the country and, while not numerically strong, its membership is zealous and faithful. Among its pastors have been Elders Riley Knowles, Asa Nay, Willett Tyler, Peterson K. Parr and Isaac Swain. For the past twelve years Elder Lawrence Reagan has preached acceptably.

Bethelehem Primitive Baptist Church organized. READ HISTORY

1840
Freedom Association formed.
Salmonie River Association formed.

1841
Huntington Association formed.
North-Eastern Association formed.

1843
Bedford Association formed.
Sand Creek Association formed.

1844
Mt. Zion Baptist Church organized. Johnson County, Indiana
Mt. Zion Association formed.

1845
Elkhart River Association formed.


1858
Amity Baptist Church organized. Johnson County, Indiana

1860
United Association formed. Warrick County, IN history

1876
The General Baptist Herald publishing was relocated from Oakland City, IN to Boonville, IN
This was the main "organ" of the General Baptist denomination. READ MORE

1906
Whiteland Baptist Church organized. READ HISTORY

1938
First Baptist Church - Princeton, Indiana controversy. 
READ HISTORY


The State Convention of Baptists in Indiana (SCBI) became the 29th state convention to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention on October 3, 1958. Constituting the new body were 258 messengers and 185 visitors from 111 churches with more than 20,000 members.
The purpose stated for SCBI was to “establish, strengthen and inspire the churches in missionary, educational and benevolent enterprises.”

An original budget of $122,000, of which 25% was to go to Cooperative Program missions of the Southern Baptist Convention, was adopted. $85,000 was to come from Indiana churches with the balance from the SBC Home Mission and Sunday School Boards.

The Executive Board of the newly established convention elected E. Harmon Moore as SCBI’s first Executive Secretary-Treasurer. He served twenty-two years in that position. Since then Indiana has had seven other executive directors: R. V. Haygood (1981-1987), Mark Coppenger (1988-1991), Charles W. Sullivan (1991-2003), Steve Davis (2003-2011 – the first native Hoosier executive director), Cecil W. Seagle
(2011-2016), Steve McNeil (2017-2021), and Ryan Strother (2021-present).

Today the State Convention of Baptists in Indiana numbers around 450 churches and church plants and a budget of more than three million, with financial assistance from the North American Mission Board. In 2004 the convention put in place a plan to systematically increase its percentage of Cooperative Program receipts forwarded to the Southern Baptist Convention until the 50/50 level is reached."https://scbi.org/scbi/history/


Four lessons 

french jesuits(french and Indian War)

Luke 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.


Campbellites-church of christ)
Too much work
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."


1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

Romans 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:"
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.



 hypercalvinism)
Too little Work
Luke 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Romans 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?"


Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Hebrews 11:6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



Social gospel/liberalism) wrong master
Matthew 18:Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
john 4:
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water."

Isolated Pastor)

Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

1Peter 5:
1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."