Answering geocentric bible questions

Here I address a persons questions line by line.

Questions for Geocentrists:
I was first introduced to the Geocentric idea in the 1990s after receiving several unsolicited copies of the book "A Geocentricity Primer" by Gerandus D. Bouw. I did read the book and was unconvinced.

Recently, others have asked me about this, and my position has not changed. However, I am open to be convinced if those who promote geocentrism will Scripturally answer the following questions consistent with their approach to geocentricity.
(I came up with these questions simply by looking at every occurrence of "sun," "moon," "stars," "earth," and "world" in the Bible. These are reasonable questions that need to be addressed if one is expected to believe geocentrism is taught by the Scriptures.)
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"Sun
The Bible mentions several times of the sun going "down," being "set," "rising," and coming "up." Are these terms to be treated as absolute?"
  NOT JUST THOSE WORDS BUT EVERY WORD IN THE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTE!!!!
Now assuming this guy is logical, he would need to have a definition for the word absolute.
When we say absolute the Bible is absolutely true.  But it is not absolutely literal.  The Bible as a whole is Literally true but it is not presenting absolutely literal communication because people can not communicate with such language,  Because people need metaphors to learn new words.
The Bible teaches us and therefore it can not only use literal language and not figurative language.
But the Bible is always true. So when Joshua points to the moon in an order to stop , the noun "Moon" must be the right noun and the verb must be truly acted out.  There can be relativity but this is determined by the text.
  joshua 10:¹² Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. ¹³ And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."
  So it is obvious in this passage,  it is obvious that the subjects Sun and moon are refereed to and not the earth.  Gibeon represents the subect of the earth.  he sun is stop moving and be still upon Gibeon which is sitting upon the earth.  Joshua should have said and "the sun seemed to stand still "And "I saw the moon seem to stop moving." that would allow relativity.


If so, where does the sun go when it sets? What does it set to or on? Where does it rise from?
Is the sun setting or rising in all locations of the earth at the same time?
psalm 19:⁴ Their line is gone out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
⁵ which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
⁶ His going forth is from the end of the heaven,
and his circuit unto the ends of it:
and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."

The circuit is a circle so the sun goes in a circle. The sun sets to the chamber. The chamberis the side of heaven which is unseen to the observer. The sun comes out of the chamber and rises from the east.

Numbers 2:3

And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies: and Nahshon the son of Amminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah.

Numbers 34:15

the two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

Joshua 12:1

Now these are the kings of the land, which the children of Israel smote, and possessed their land on the other side Jordan toward the rising of the sun, from the river Arnon unto mount Hermon, and all the plain on the east:

Joshua 19:12

and turned from Sarid eastward toward the sunrising unto the border of Chisloth-tabor, and then goeth out to Daberath, and goeth up to Japhia,

Do multiple observers in different locations of the earth view the sun setting (or rising) at the same moment?
One of the proves of geocentricity and as a matter of fact, Joshua's long day.   Accounts of the long day all across Africa and Eurasia/  But not in the Americas.  However the Americas do have legends of a long night.

Do any two observers see the sun in exactly the same position in the sky at the same moment?
  Sure! That is why we have time zones! 😏
Time zones connected to the Sun are biblical.  As we see when God performed a similar miracle.

Isaiah 38:8

behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.


Does an observer in Jerusalem see the sun set at the same moment as one in Egypt, Rome, or Spain?
If not, then the "sun rising" and "sun setting" must be RELATIVE to the observer.
Time zones is a question for heliocentricity just as much as geo centricity.


Do you believe the earth is a globe or sphere surrounded by a rotating firmament containing the sun, moon, and heavens?
yes.

If so, then considering the whole earth do you believe the sun must be constantly and perpetually rising and setting at some area on the earth at all times as the sun passes around it?
yes.

If so, then you must agree that "sun rising" and "sun setting" are not absolute terms but are RELATIVE to the position of an observer.
This reminds me of the Superman movies with Christopher Reeves.  In this one superman decides he will change time itself by flying around the earth backwards!
Unfortunately Super man is fiction, and time is real. God has power over time but no one else.


How does the observable fact that at the north pole there is only ONE sunrise and ONE sunset per YEAR fit into your contentions?
It is not about the sunrise as much as the sun light. But God did not inspire the Bible in the north pole.
The contention here drips into liberalism.  If the Bible is a subjective book then it is not an objective book. Making the leaps from relativity to the ability to count days and seasons is a claim that the bible is not historical because we apparently cannot trust the calendar.


The Bible says the sun waxes "hot" during the day and by implication cools or wanes in the evening (Exo 16:21, 1Sam 11:9, Neh 7:3).
Do you believe in the absolute sense the sun itself increases and decreases in temperature on a daily basis?
Exodus 16: ¹⁸ And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating. ¹⁹ And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning. ²⁰ Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. ²¹ And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted."
"it melted"  btw, is the manna, not the sun. The OT uses a lot of "functional language". The sun in the biblical language is not just the orb about 93 million miles away. The sunlight or rays are still connected to the sun. So when the sun "waxed" or grew hot the heat from the sun grew hot and they could feel it.

If so, how can the sun be waxed hot in one location when it is noon and be cool in another location where it is sunset or sunrise at the same moment?
Actually this questions sound better as a geo-centrist because the sun moving would tend to lead one to think that explains why the temprature is changing. but actually both questions are  equivalent.


If not, then the the term "waxed hot" is a RELATIVE term conditioned on the position of an observer on the earth in relation to the sun.
Yes and no. this is scripture, it is true so it waxed hot. It is relatve in the sense that human experience is relative.  But sceince is included as relative so now 50% of your argument is gone because you can not disprove geocentricity.  But the bible is operating under geo-centricty which tips the scales.

The Bible speaks of the sun rising "up," "above", "over" and "upon" the earth and men live "under the sun" (Gen 32:31, Ecc 1:3, etc.), however, both the geocentric and heliocentric models have the sun (and planets) beside the earth on a relatively even plane. How then is the sun said to be above the earth except as RELATIVE to the observer?
  This not the fault of the sun it is the roundness of the earth.  However, helio centricity has no reation to the idea of the sun moving and geocentricity does. plus as a heliocentric there is no up or down you have no clue where the sun or the earth is in relation to the universe.  It is a lie for you to claim that the sun is not below the earth. This is because of the copernican principle..


The Bible describes the sun as travelling a "circuit" from the "end" "unto the ends" of heaven (Psa 19:6). Does the sun travel to the furthest extent of heaven? To the very ends of it during its daily circuit?I answer this earlier when I brought up psalm 19.

Since one reason the sun and moon were created was to determine "days, and years" (Gen 1:14), during Joshua's "long day" the sun and moon stood still and "hasted not to go down about a whole day." How could this "day" be measured without the movement of the sun and moon?
Did time itself cease? Is this day a 24 hour period as in Gen 1 or just the daylight hours?This is a 24hr period.It is measured perfectly in a "solar day". as opposed to a sidereal day.
The days of Genesis were all literal 24 hour days.  The light of days 1-3 were from a universal plasma racing through the ether.  God formed the plasma into celestial objects like the stars on day 4.


Moon

Do you believe that the moon generates its own light (Isa 13:10)?
If not, how do you reconcile the sun's light and path being called "his" and the moon's light being called "her light"?
Yes, figuratively the woman is effeminate. So where did a woman come from? Women came from the man Adam. So the light of the moon is a lesser light and just as eve came from adam the light of the moon came from the sun.


What does it mean in Gen 1:16 where it says God made the moon a "light"?
Just as the sun's light is connected to the sun, the moon's light is connected to the moon. The moon glows and it gives light of course this is the lesser light.

Is the moon always a "light" (monthly dark moon, eclipse, etc.) If not, why?
it is not a called light, it is called lesser light.

Does the Bible state anywhere that the moon's light is a source other than itself ("her light" 4 times)?
Does the Bible state anywhere that the moon's light is actually reflected sun light?
the figure of her and lesser harmonize with the concept.
job 25:⁵ Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not;
yea, the stars are not pure in his sight."
 job 31:
²⁶ if I beheld the sun when it shined,
or the moon walking in brightness;

How do you explain a "new moon" (1Sam 20:5, Col 2:16, etc.)
"In astronomy, the new moon is the first phase of the Moon, when its orbit is not seen from the Earth; it is at this moment when the Moon and the Sun have the same ecliptical longitude.^[1] The Moon is not visible^{[note 1]} at this time except when it is seen in silhouette during a solar eclipse when it is illuminated by earthshine. See the article on phases of the Moon for further details."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_moon

The sun and the moon are both said to "shine," (Rev 21:23) is there a difference in their light?
yes, the moon's light is lesser.

Joel 2:31 (also Act 2:20) states "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood," and Rev 6:12 says the "sun became black...and the moon became as blood." How can the sun be dark yet the moon still be seen even if blood (red)?
We'll know when it happens!!
😋
This is a future event.

Stars
Nah 3:16 says, "Thou (Nineveh) hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven," Do you believe this to be literally and absolutely true?
Were the merchants greater in number than the stars of heaven or were they placed physically above the stars?
I believe that is hyberbole, likely a cynical joke.


Likewise see Heb 11:12 where the seed of Abraham is said to have already "sprang...so many as the stars of the sky in multitude." Has there been as many born of Abraham (or even born of Adam) as there are stars in the heavens?
Is it possible this language is intended to reflect how many stars could be seen with the "naked eye" at the time it was written or spoken?You cut the verse.
¹² Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable."
innumerable is a very important word here. whether we are talking all people who ever had some jewish or arabic ancestry, or all existing Christians or the stars in the sky they are all innumerable.
Also the estimates of star counts are really indetermineable, because of issues claiming galaxies and issues or reflection in space.

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There are several more questions of this type that need addressed also, but this is enough for now.it won't be enough until you believe in geocentricity.

The fall of lucifer a romantic tragedy

Once in heaven there was a cherub named luci.
Luci was beautiful.  If there was anything Luci loved it was the light of glory. Luci lived in the beauty of the light. Everything around luci was heaven. Luci lived in pleasure. Luci would breath out music and passion. Everything about Luci was pleasing full of life and energy comepletely serene and uplifting. The highest of high intentions. Always seeking more always seeking grandeur. From the bottom ascending tot the top.  I will sit in the mountain of assembly. I will be like the most high.
There was no sin in luci.
Until the beginning.
Luci had one job.  To stand in front of the throne of the most high proclaiming the glory of the most High The El Elyon.
As the great I Am began and proceeded look down upon the nothing. His Logos Spoke the heaven and earth.  He garnished the ether with the glory of the stars, galaxies and lights in a symphony and luci broke out the band in a concert like never before! It was a time of celebration.
Then as the Spirit hovered across the waters and the earth emerged God garnished the earth and the herbs grew and beasts scrurried the garden was planted and the springs flourished.
Something strange happened.
Evening and morning.
Evening and morning.
Evening and morning.
Evening and morning.
Evening and morning.
Evening and morning
All life, All time.
Everything turned and turned
Luci looked down all things pointed to the garden. And in this garden Luci and saw from below what luci had seen from above.
gazing down upon the red clay breath came in and there manifest the ADAM.
Luci saw glory below. But how?
Why?
Was Luci the bearer of the glory of God?  Wasn't Luci the light?
Luci was like the most high!!
Why? Why? Why?
Before you new it Adam had dominion over the beast of the field and the birds of the air. But adonai just wouldn't stop! He lavished Adam with a help mate and they were going to Spread and multiply across the earth. More and more glory than what Luci would have with every new infant.

How could he do this to luci??
Luci started to pulsate and a puss started to swell, we call it pride.
As  Luci kept his eyes from the Elohim he sank and he slithered into the Garden.

Luci liked Eve.  Eve was pretty happy but she had something in common with Luci.  Eve had been given a lot but she was under Adam.
 Luci wanted to drag even down to his level.
Why listen to someone above you? You should be above them.

So He slithered into her path. And he showed her options and paths other than being happy.
Why follow God?  Why not be God?  Eve tried to resist. But in her heart she wanted to be a god. She knew it was death? but what was death?
  When Adam saw what was going on, he came to agree.  Why not more?  Maybe the sanke was smarter than jehovah. Because the snake wanted them to be gods, he must love them right?

No luci hated them and everything they stood for. The lord would learn not to cheat on luci.

But when the Lord came down and caught them Cheating he had something different to say.
Luci had sinned and because luci had sinned she no longer had the Glory she had no more glory. her light was lesser than the moon. she would no longer cover the throne of God.

God was betrayed.  He loved and no one recognized all he had done. there was nothing left to do but to curse.
The stars which commemorated lucifer were then ripped away.
Meanwhile a 3rd of the angels came down following luci to see if they could join forces witht the mankind.
But as the stars were torn the north start erupted and as Jesus notticed.
I saw Satan fall like lighting.
The lightning shot down so far and so fast.
The lightnibg hit the Northpole.
And just like Satan had fallen into the abyss of hades.  The lightning struck with the heart of the earth and broke the earth and boild the great deep.
The ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE!
The fountains of the great deep erupted!!
They shot like no other geyser and broke open the windows of the sky!  Some chunks even hit the moon and put the face of the man on the moons.
The waters separated from the waters were spreads apart and raining upon the earth for 40 days.
The Hills turned into mountains, the seas turned into oceans
Mankind had walloweed in the mud and would now drown in the sea.
But God showed something Lucifer wished he knew. He showed grace to a man named Noah and his family.
He kept them in the ark.  The Ark was baptized and took them to a new though fallen world. Where he would have the hope of a promise given to Him in a rainbow around the earth. Once he was immersed he could find life.  Once the Spirit immerses us we can have eternal life.
Because the Lord knew who he loved from the beginning.

But luci's heart would break because luci never loved.

Basic facts supporting the "Fall of Lucifer" NYC scenario causing the flood of Noah.

The Biblical fall of Lucifer was a spiritual event where Satan was once a glorified angel who fell in pride and was cast out of the Spiritual realm of Heaven.  The "fall of Lucifer" here is a physical event which was a sign pointing to the spiritual event.  The physical event was an intergalactic catastrophe brought by God as a result of the sin of mankind and of course the fall of Lucifer.  The symbolism dictates that God reigns over the universe in His throne in heaven north over our earth.  In the ancient world thousands of years ago before the printing of the Holy Bible God revealed Himself to man in the stars in what is called today as the zodiac.  At the time the constellations were understood as a gospel message giving ancient people signs of God salvation and Christ.  The serpent/Lucifer/draco was directly north covering the throne of God.  But in God's wrath the universe shifted and Polaris separated from draco, then became the north star connecting to Ursa Minor, the little bear, a poor translation of the little sheep(also little dipper) pointing to the little flock the church of Christ and saints who now cover the throne.  Lucifer falling was shown as Satan fell like lightning and Polaris shot a gamma ray burster, destroying the former paradise and as it submerged into the abyss all hell broke loose as the fountains of the great deep erupted and cause the worldwide flood which was only survived by Noah and his family.
Here is my first paper on the topic
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-fall-of-lucifer-nyc-pt6.html
This gets very deep however and there is an entire cosmology which I have prepared for scientists and thinkers to go further.
1. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/12/a-summary-of-new-years-cosmology.html
2. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/10/a-scientific-exposition-of-literal.html
3. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-purpose-of-general-revelation.html
4. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/09/singletons-new-years-cosmology.html...
5. http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/12/further-study-in-new-years-cosmology.html
as well as the facebook page.https://www.facebook.com/pg/Biblicalhistoricalscience/about/?ref=page_internal
And for non-readers here is my youtube class where I teach the entirety of the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr4zHIDphGjQhba6EkMxdTEgRsyqTdOJw

These are basic Facts and scientific observations which illustrate this conclusion.


1. universal connection
a. rotating galaxies
"Physicists and astronomers have long believed that the universe has mirror symmetry, like a basketball. But recent findings from the University of Michigan suggest that the shape of the Big Bang might be more complicated than previously thought, and that the early universe spun on an axis.
To test for the assumed mirror symmetry, physics professor Michael Longo and a team of five undergraduates catalogued the rotation direction of tens of thousands of spiral galaxies photographed in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey.The mirror image of a counter-clockwise rotating galaxy would have clockwise rotation. More of one type than the other would be evidence for a breakdown of symmetry, or, in physics speak, a parity violation on cosmic scales, Longo said.The researchers found evidence that galaxies tend to rotate in a preferred direction. They uncovered an excess of left-handed, or counter-clockwise rotating, spirals in the part of the sky toward the north pole of the Milky Way. The effect extended beyond 600 million light years away."The excess is small, about 7 percent, but the chance that it could be a cosmic accident is something like one in a million," Longo said. "These results are extremely important because they appear to contradict the almost universally accepted notion that on sufficiently large scales the universe is isotropic, with no special direction.""http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/07/-is-the-universe-spinning-new-research-says-yes.html
"On the face of it, the claim of a spin axis would seem anti-Copernican. In other words, the universe has a preferred axis, which means there is indeed a special direction in space."
"What is very curious to me is that the Milky Way’s own spin axis roughly aligns to the universe’s purported spin axis within just a few degrees, as deduced from the two galaxy surveys. That seems very anti-Copernican too. It has also been used to bolster biblical creationist arguments that we are at the “center” of the universe.
Invoking a familiar phrase from Carl Sagan, one cosmologist reminded me that: “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
http://news.discovery.com/space/do-we-live-in-a-spinning-universe-110708.htm
 
b. ether detection

"Actually, it is interesting to point out that Sagnac interpreted these results in support of the ether theory against the Special Theory of Relativity (SRT), since he wrote that

“[...] the observed interference effect turns out to be the optical

vortex effect due to the motion of the system with respect to the ether [...]”

[2]. As a matter of fact, during the following years and also more recently (see e.g. the review [5] and the other papers on the subject in the monograph [3]), many

authors interpreted this effect as a conundrum in the SRT when it is applied to rotating reference frames;" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.6341.pdf

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http://harmonicresolution.com/torsionanimated.gif

"In 1905 I was of the opinion that it was no longer allowed to speak of the ether in physics, this opinion however was too radical, as we will see later when we discuss the general theory of relativity it does remain allowed as always to introduce a medium filling all space and to assume that the electromagnetic fields (and matter as well) are its states... once again "empty space" appears as endowed with physical properties i.e., no longer as physically empty as seemed to be the case according to special relativity.  One can thus say that the ether is resurrected in the general theory of relativity... since in the new theory, metric facts can no longer be separated from "true" physical facts, the concepts of "space" and ether merge together."  Albert Einstein  "Grundgedanken and methoden der Relativita'tstheorie in ihrer Entwicklung dargestellt,"Morgan manuscript, EA70, as cited in Ludwig Kostro, Einstein and the Ether, Aperion, 2000, p.2
c. electric connection
" A plasma is a hot ionized gas consisting of approximately equal numbers of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons. The characteristics of plasmas are significantly different from those of ordinary neutral gases so that plasmas are considered a distinct "fourth state of matter." For example, because plasmas are made up of electrically charged particles, they are strongly influenced by electric and magnetic fields (see figure) while neutral gases are not. An example of such influence is the trapping of energetic charged particles along geomagnetic field lines to form the Van Allen radiation belts."http://pluto.space.swri.edu/image/glossary/plasma2.html "It is estimated that 99% of the matter in the observable universe is in the plasma state...hence the expression "plasma universe." (The phrase "observable universe" is an important qualifier: roughly 90% of the mass of the universe is thought to be contained in "dark matter," the composition and state of which are unknown.)"http://pluto.space.swri.edu/image/glossary/plasma2.html

2. universal shift
"George F. Dodwell served as the government astronomer for South Austrailia from 1909 to 1952. In the mid-1930's, he became interested in past changes in the tilt of the earth's axis. He collected almost 100 astronomical measurements made over a 4,000-year period. Those measurements show that the tilt of the earth's axis smoothly decayed from 25* 10' to it's present 23*27'. Based on the shape of the decay curve, Dodwell estimated that this axis shift began began in about the year2345B.C. "The gravitational forces of the sun and moon and planets do change the tilt of the earth's axis, but much more slowly than those Dodwell measured. An extraterrestrial body striking the earth would provide an abrupt change in axis orientation, not the smooth changes Dodwell measured. Also only a massive and fast asteroid striking the earth at a favorable angle would tilt the axis this much. However the resulting pressure pulse would pass through the entire atmosphere and quickly kill most air-breathing animals- a recent extinction without evidence." Dr.Walt Brown In the Beginning: Compelling evidence for creation and the Flood pg 116 Barry Setterfield, "An investigation That Led to Unexpected Results by the Late Mr. G. F. Dodwell, B. A., F.R.A.S South Australian Government Astronomer,1909-1952," Bulletin of the Astronomical Society of South Australia, September 1967.


"Our galaxy seems to be more milkshake than Milky Way, opening up a fresh cosmic mystery. A three-dimensional map of the speeds and distances of thousands of stars suggests that they are all shaken up and that the galaxy is undulating up and down, but no one knows why." "It is possible the wave is a lingering effect from a galaxy that smashed into ours in the past. Or it could be actively produced as two satellite galaxies, called the Magellanic Clouds, spiral around the Milky Way and distort its disc." "Previous work examined the vertical distribution of stars in our corner of the galaxy and saw compressed layers that hinted at a wave moving through the disc. Now Mary Williams at the Leibniz Institute for Astrophysics Potsdam in Germany and her colleagues have examined recently released data from the Radial Velocity Experiment (RAVE) survey to create the first 3D map of stellar motion in our galactic neighbourhood. . RAVE covers almost half a million stars spanning 6500 light years in all directions. The team focused on a category of stars called red clump giants, which have about the same brightness and so are easier to compare when calculating their relative speed and distance from us. They then combined the RAVE data on horizontal motion with other readings of how the stars move up and down. What they found is that stars closer to the centre of the galaxy are spreading outwards above and below the plane while stars further from the centre are squashing inwards. The motions of individual stars within these zones are chaotic, with some sloshing around in odd directions. But if we could see the overall pattern from the outside, our section of the galactic disc would resemble a flag rippling in the breeze." Then the various scenarios can be tested by refining our galactic simulations and comparing them with observations of the wave and any possible culprits, says Ralph Sutherland, also at the Australian National University in Canberra. “They’ve really thrown down the gauntlet to the theorists and modellers,” he says." “If there are no external impacts on the disc, what you’d expect is a steady state: things would be going around and around – but there shouldn’t be up-and-down motion. That’s hard to induce,” says Kenneth Freeman at the Australian National University in Canberra."https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24464-milky-way-galaxy-is-fluttering-like-a-flag/

So in Summary...
The universe is in a state of spin, it has a definite direction which hints to an order hinting to a design.  Space has a substance which Newton and Einstein acknowledge as ether the medium through
which light travels.  99% of the observed universe is plasma and therefore electric.  electric force is 10 tot the 36th power greater than gravity so we know that our universe is interconnected.The universe is also in a state of shifting but this shifting start around the time of the Biblical flood. If the universal shift had a starting point what started it? Obviously the shift unlike the spin is not natural and it would start a catastrophe.


 intergalactic catastrophe
https://phys.org/…/2016-03-tiny-ancient-galaxy-catastrophic…
This could be evidence for the fall of lucifer!
Now this article is basically written in big bang language with big bang(BBT) assumptions. I have debunked BBT see https://youtu.be/IDhA7w8Fwdw…
New years cosmology(NYC) argues that like BBT there was an intergalactic catastrophe when the universe started an annual shift.
see https://youtu.be/TnS0Iwp5u2U
The article makes statements confirming this.
""Reticulum II has more stars bright enough for chemical studies than any other ultra-faint dwarf galaxy found so far," Simon explained.
Such ultra-faint galaxies are relics from the era when the universe's first stars were born. They orbit our own Milky Way galaxy and their chemical simplicity can help astronomers understand the history of stellar processes dating back to the ancient universe, including element formation."
Now in reticulum II we see a small galaxy and they are measuring the neutrons and elements. They assume this was because of fusion forming stars in the big bang
But NYC agrees with electric universe(EU) theory that fusion is not the process by which stars operate but electromagnetic energy permeating through the ether. So the neutrons from stars are actually burning on the edge of the stars electric shell.
Never the less the electric burnout points to a catastrophe.
".Surprisingly, the team found that seven of Reticulum II's nine brightest stars contained far more elements produced by rapid neutron captures than have been detected in any other dwarf galaxy.
"These stars have up to a thousand times more neutron capture elements than any other stars observed in similar galaxies," said lead author Alexander Ji of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology."
Get ready for it....
"However, finding so many more heavy elements in one dwarf galaxy than had ever been seen before in others proves that the source of Reticulum II's neutron capture elements must have been a rare event—much less common than an ordinary supernova. What's more, the sheer amount of these neutron capture elements in Reticulum II far exceeds what most supernovae can even make."
Thats right an inter galactic catastrophe!
"Old stars in the Milky Way show a pattern of neutron capture elements similar to that found in Reticulum II. This indicates that the process of making neutron capture elements in larger galaxies is likely the same as it is in dwarf galaxies, suggesting that even the heavy elements on Earth originated in neutron star mergers."
BINGO!!!!!!!!!
Thats right an intergalactic catastrophe involving the earth!!!!!
THIS IS EVIDENCE FOR THE FALL OF LUCIFER!!
""Because this galaxy is so small, it preserves evidence of ancient rare events incredibly cleanly," said Simon. "We're lucky to have found such an important galaxy so close to us."
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

We have observed the remains of intergalactic catastrophes.  These point to an incredible catastrophic event that happened where there earth is.  As earlier noted we observed a starting point to where an intergalactic catastrophe should originate.

4. Polaris shifted

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.7O_53riTAZQkWsWPvEsQwQCoEs&pid=15.1

A. ancient astrological record
"Historically, the celestial pole was close to Thuban around 2750 BCE,^[23] "
" In 3000 BC, the faint star Thuban in the constellation Draco was the North Star. At magnitude 3.67 (fourth magnitude) it is only one-fifth as bright as Polaris, and today it is invisible in light-polluted urban skies."
Wikipedia
"When these constellations were formed the dragon possessed this important point, and the star 'a', in Draco, marked this central point. But by it's gradual recession, that point is recubba, in the lesser sheep fold for it to be what is called 'The Polar Star.'" The Witness of the Stars page 153
  
Before the flood we have no axial tilt. after the flood the axial tilt which effects our seasons begins.  The shifting of polaris and draco occurs in sequence with the flood. If there were n intergalactic catastrophe as we have evidence of then this would have contributed to the shifting of Polaris.

B.Symbolic value
Job 26:⁷ He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
⁸ He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds;
and the cloud is not rent under them.
⁹ He holdeth back the face of his throne,
and spreadeth his cloud upon it."¹³ By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens;
his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Revelation 12:³ And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. ⁴ And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth."
Ezekiel 28:¹⁴ Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
¹⁵ Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,
till iniquity was found in thee.
¹⁶ By the multitude of thy merchandise
they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:
therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God:
and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,
from the midst of the stones of fire."
   When we consider the christian zodiac the fall of Lucifer makes sense conferring with these classic passages.  The stars have an intelligent design and the intergalactic catastrophe is in harmony with biblical typology.
5 .Polaris contains white dwarf star aka pulsar
The North Star it is a “pulsing” star, a Cepheid variable, which appears to vary in brightness ever so slightly – only one tenth of a magnitude – over a time frame of just under four days.
If you have a small

telescope and train it on Polaris, you just might notice a tiny companion star (called Polaris B) shining at 9th magnitude with a pale bluish tint. This companion was first sighted by Sir William Herschel in 1780 (just a year later, Herschel would discover the planet Uranus).  Astronomers believe that the two stars – A and B – are separated by about 2,400 astronomical units – one astronomical unit (a.u.) being the average distance of the sun to the Earth.  The orbital period of the two stars may number in the many thousands of years.
In 1929, by studying the spectrum of Polaris, a third companion star (Polaris C) was discovered.  This one, a white dwarf, lies only 18.5 a.u. from Polaris A (about the same distance of the planet Uranus from our sun).  Its extreme closeness to the far more brilliant Polaris A explains why it went unseen for so long."  Polaris Physical Facts  http://www.space.com/15567-north-star-polaris.html"A Cepheid variable (/ˈsɛfiːɪd/ or /ˈsiːfiːɪd/) is a type of star that pulsates radially, varying in both diameter and temperature and producing changes in brightness with a well-defined stable period and amplitude."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepheid_variable
"A pulsar (from pulse and -ar as in quasar)^[1] is a highly magnetized, rotating neutron star or white dwarf, that emits a beam of electromagnetic radiation. This radiation can be observed only when the beam of emission is pointing toward Earth (much the way a lighthouse can be seen only when the light is pointed in the direction of an observer), and is responsible for the pulsed appearance of emission."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

"Polaris is a multiple star, comprising the main star (Polaris Aa, a yellow supergiant) in orbit with a smaller companion (Polaris Ab); the pair in orbit with Polaris B (discovered in 1780 by William Herschel). There were once thought to be two more distant components—Polaris C and Polaris D—but these have been shown not to be physically associated with the Polaris system.^[10][11]"

Polaris has a white dwarf pulsar perfectly capable and in perfect position to strike the earth.  It is one thing to claim that types were made off of the design of constellations. But when we discover that polaris was capable of a matching event even though the ancients had no astronomical knowledge of the dwarf star then they must have observed it.

6.Gamma Ray Burster

Most observed GRBs are believed to consist of a narrow beam of intense radiation released during a supernova or hypernova as a rapidly rotating, high-mass star collapses to form a neutron star, quark star, or black hole. A subclass of GRBs (the "short" bursts) appear to originate from a different process - this may be due to the merger of binary neutron stars. The cause of the precursor burst observed in some of these short events may be due to the development of a resonance between the crust and core of such stars as a result of the massive tidal forces experienced in the seconds leading up to their collision, causing the entire crust of the star to shatter.

The sources of most GRBs are billions of light years away from Earth, implying that the explosions are both extremely energetic (a typical burst releases as much energy in a few seconds as the Sun will in its entire 10-billion-year lifetime) and extremely rare (a few per galaxy per million years). All observed GRBs have originated from outside the Milky Way galaxy, although a related class of phenomena, soft gamma repeater flares, are associated with magnetars within the Milky Way. It has been hypothesized that a gamma-ray burst in the Milky Way, pointing directly towards the Earth, could cause a mass extinction event."  
 A gamma ray burster would easily be capable of causing an event which could destroy the earth.  but how could the ancients have known this, unless it really happened??

6. mythological archetypes

The thunderbolts project has developed a very dynamic study in it's "Discourses on an alien sky."
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UeFB-ygaH63Seg6r6C_dtqB
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/02/18/discourses-on-an-alien-sky-series-2/
Now we should distinguish that David Talbot is going to argue for a planetary configuration to stage this event.  While the "fall of Lucifer" will be focusing on a gamma ray burster from Polaris.
videos 
8 https://youtu.be/eVaDBoy3qFU?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UeFB-ygaH63Seg6r6C_dtqB

"visualizing the polar configuration"
 So basically the worldwide arrangement of myths  points to n event in the polar regions.
13 https://youtu.be/LfG9TTttaUM?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UeFB-ygaH63Seg6r6C_dtqB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5O_gSguEMo&t=77s

\In the myth of the Bull of heaven we see an image that could identify with a gamma ray burster hitting the canopy of earth's atmosphere. 
14 The world mountain
https://youtu.be/3GkgHtm9KbM

The ice canopy would avalanche forming the polar ice caps and thus a mountain of God melting into an ice age.

28 The great comet venus

all show myths which may illustrate testimony of the fall off lucifer. Lucifer was a name understood to refer to the mythological venus.  As we trace the myths of venus we find that it is like an anomaly hitting the north pole.  They assume that this was a comet but it is obvious to me as the "fall of lucifer"
https://youtu.be/rsYPhN168MM?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UeFB-ygaH63Seg6r6C_dtqB
 Thus we have the testimony of the ancients in line with observations of the universe.

7  Subterranean waters

Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the Arctic Ocean.
The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in the planet's deep mantle. [The World's Biggest Oceans and Seas]
The finding, made by Michael Wysession, a seismologist at Washington University in St. Louis, and his former graduate student Jesse Lawrence, now at the University of California, San Diego, will be detailed in a forthcoming monograph to be published by the American Geophysical Union. 
Looking down deep
The pair analyzed more than 600,000 seismograms — records of waves generated by earthquakes traveling through the Earth—collected from instruments scattered around the planet. [Image Gallery: This Millennium's Destructive Earthquakes]
They noticed a region beneath Asia where seismic waves appeared to dampen, or "attenuate," and also slow down slightly. "Water slows the speed of waves a little," Wysession explained. "Lots of damping and a little slowing match the predictions for water very well."
Previous predictions calculated that if a cold slab of the ocean floor were to sink thousands of miles into the Earth's mantle, the hot temperatures would cause water stored inside the rock to evaporate out.
"That is exactly what we show here," Wysession said. "Water inside the rock goes down with the sinking slab and it's quite cold, but it heats up the deeper it goes, and the rock eventually becomes unstable and loses its water."
The water then rises up into the overlying region, which becomes saturated with water [image]. "It would still look like solid rock to you,” Wysession told LiveScience. "You would have to put it in the lab to find the water in it."
Although they appear solid, the composition of some ocean floor rocks is up to 15 percent water. "The water molecules are actually stuck in the mineral structure of the rock," Wysession explained. "As you heat this up, it eventually dehydrates. It's like taking clay and firing it to get all the water out."http://www.livescience.com/1312-huge-ocean-discovered-earth.html
These underground oceans are the perfect catalyst for the flood. A gamma ray burster could heat them until they exploded.  in ancient OT symbolism Hell was symbolized as the sea and specifically the great deep/subterranean waters.  A gamma ray burst drawn in by the earth electromagnetic poles could boil these waters causing a massive explosion and bring out a flood.
 

8. chalk beds

"This coincided with the break up of the supercontinent Pangea, which broke apart to form the continents of today. As continents move apart, an ocean forms between them, and new ocean-floor is added along the line of spreading (known as the mid-ocean ridge) by magma which rises from below. As the continents moved apart in the Cretaceous, a very high volume of magma rose up to form the new ocean-floor in what is known as a superplume event. The mid-ocean ridges became swollen, and large volumes of magma spilled out elsewhere onto the ocean floor, displacing water onto the continents (causing sea-level to rise). The volcanic activity also produced greenhouse gases which raised temperatures, prevented ice from forming at the poles and hence kept sea levels high. Chalks formed in the sea-ways of the flooded Cretaceous continents."http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/chalk_formation_fossils.htm
  So now even with the plate tectonic theory it is obvious that there is a connection between the chalk beds and the oceanic ridge.  Of course the tectonic theory is a bit incredible with a slow uniformitarian progression regarding.  To be blunt, it is easier to shove megatons of stone with an explosion than with a wheel barrel.  How does volcanic magma stack the chalk above sea level?
"If limestone formed organically in shallow seas (the prevailing view), why would the seafloor slowly subside almost 6 miles to allow these accumulations? Subsidence rates would have to be just right during the millions of years needed for organisms to grow and accumulate to such depths. Besides, the seafloor cannot subside unless the rock below it gets out of the way.  That rock would have nowhere to go."http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Limestone3.html#wp2482394
The ocean testifies to an explosive event  which would be caused by the GRB hitting the subterranean waters.

9.  shockwaves)

        

http://futurism.com/recent-news-on-earths-van-allen-radiation-belts/

"In 2013, NASA discovered a third transient belt that exists in between these two belts. Researchers concluded this third layer must have been created by a powerful interplanetary shockwave, which itself was created during a coronal mass ejection (CME) from our sun. "

The fountains of the great deep exploding would also escape earth's atmosphere.  The new Van Allen belt could easily be an effect from such an event..


More evidence points to us of God's judgment.
Romans 6:²³ For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.