(And why their kindness really kills!)
If you made it through the title and are still reading I am amazed!
So what is ecumenism?
Well, there are two types the first want to unite all Christian denominations. The second wants to unite all religions.
Ecumenicism seems as if it were positive and loving wanting to bring everyone together under one banner. But should everyone one become united together whether right or wrong; good or evil?
{By the way, I want to make a point clear before I go any further. I am ok with certain types of interdenominational activities, I have friends from many denominations. Most specifically political and some times evangelistic etc. However this is about an attitude which devalues theology and the need to make church submit their autonomy for the sake of unity. Also the bigots is a pun off of the name calling for the sake of tolerance routine.]
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
That’s right Jesus just denied the chance at a cross less universal salvation of all mankind! But why? Isn’t that we all want? Just look at the price tag of a universal salvation. For this to have happen Jesus would have had to commit idolatry. Honestly this is still the price tag. We will only win the world’s favor when give up on ideas of righteousness and holiness. Yet Jesus explains it best.
Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
The world is a vast wasteland. It is not worth the purchase. When we look down to the world we no longer are looking up at man.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Make no doubt about it Christians have to be holy and different from this world. This world only brings death.
Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
This is the heart of the problem, which tugged at my soul until I had to stop. So many Christians and so many churches believe that it is somehow ok to barter away our faith and allegiance to Christ. An ecumenicist friend of mine actually put it in these words “If you are witnessing to a non-believer like a Muslim, How are you going to tell them to give up all their beliefs if you are not willing to give up your own?” This is a blasphemous but clever argument. But just as Rich Mullins sang “I did not make it: no, it is making me; It is the very truth of God not the invention of any man!”
Many times we are willing to give away Christ. Many times we do so because we are ashamed of Him and His words. The reason is because we crave acceptance of the World more than the acceptance of God. Yet we must understand that this shame works two ways according to our Lord.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
So our discipleship is dependent on the authority of Christ actual words. He really needs to be our ruler! Yet Some many times we act like Cain we tell God “Don’t worry I will worship you, but on my terms not yours!” This denies the Sovereignty of God. God has one truth and one gospel. Yet we have a world which is composed of many truths and many gospels. Only one, if any, of these truths or gospels can be correct. We must freely search for the one truth.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
If we give up the search for truth for the sake of unity how will we stand before God? We can not depend on man made authorities for the truth, we must read the gospel and find the truth ourselves.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
Unbelievers should not be allowed membership, if they are not saved. Nor should churches be in covenant with unsaved groups. Yet the ecumenical movement does just that? Many churches are not regenerate due to, sacramentalism, legalism, liberalism, anti-nomialism or simple refusal to evangelize. However, spiritual death can spread through a church like a virus and if you network your born-again church with non-born-again Christians you will find the purity will leave your church. Soon lost “christians” will join your church and want to be accomodated. Then say good-bye to the full gospel!
Your not supposed to Judge!
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
First of all, the phrase judge should not be seen simply as a mental Judgement. Later on Paul encourages the ability to judge ourselves within the Church. (1Cor. 6) However here we see a specific act of public condemnation. In verse too it show’s us the need for equal standard and accountability. We must not judge hypocritically. In verse 5 it shows that if we first judge ourselves then we may properly attend to others. But Christians have the right to make judgments.
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
He who is without sin caste the first stone!
Joh 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
The irony of this argument is that most of the ecumenicist who use this argument believe that this passage was not in the original manuscripts and therefore doesn’t matter anyway.
However, it did happen. Jesus says “let him first caste a stone at her”. Jesus is not speaking figuratively. They have stones in their hands! We should be peaceful and tolerate people no matter how sinful they are! Condemnation and execution is the duty of the government, not the Christian.
But once again this has nothing to do with judge the merits of a teaching or act. In fact Christ implied that she was a sinner because he told her to “sin no more”.
Who are you to judge another man’s servant!
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
This regarding what we call convictions beliefs on subjects not specified in the New Testament. Now in the sense of trying to overpower others in some way to force people to our convictions we should not judge others, but if we can disagree then we are already judging and so we can judge whether or not to associate with others. Many times in scripture told that we should separate from false teachers in fact. Even in this very book Paul tells us so!
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Jesus prayed for unity!
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
First of all who is Jesus praying for? Those who “believe on” Jesus “through their” Apostles “word:”. So Jesus is praying for born-again New Testament Christians. He is praying for unity like unto the Father and the Son. Ecumenicists argue that we should be unified spiritually and not by practice. But Jesus is praying for unity which is total. This will happen at the rapture by Christ and not man. However if we our to strive for unity we must debate and rebuke each other. Not ignore our sins and sing “cuum by ya!”.
You’re dividing the body of Christ!
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
First of all, we have to know what the body of Christ is! Paul says it is one body, yet ecumenicist argue for several bodies becoming one.
Paul says there is “one spirit and one lord”. So are their several Spirits and Lords becoming one?
Paul says there is one faith. Yet Ecumenicist argue several. Paul says One God. Are there several gods who become one?
Honestly I do not believe we in an invisible spiritual body that can be divided by an argument. I believe Christ’s body is the organized New Testament Church and those two swords sharpen each other.
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
The ecumenical movement has either done or allowed great evil in the name of love.
Is it loving to publicly endorse the murder of unborn babies?
Ecumenicists typically fellowship with and support abortion advocates. In America we have murder roughly 50 million infants. This had to be done with the consent, support, money, protesting and volunteering of many Christians. To support unity with every one who calls themselves a Christian we have to acknowledge this as a legitimate activity with a different point of view.
Is it loving to encourage the perversion which spread AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases?
Many churches today encourage the sin of Homosexuality, some even allow their ministers openly or privately practice sodomy and homosexuality. A fact that escapes the pop-culture is the AIDS virus is spread through sodomy more than any other activity. Due political correctness this fact is over looked and many homosexual contract the AIDS virus at alarming rates. These Christians who encourage this cursed lifestyle and it’s massive destruction and death are supposed to be accepted in the name of unity.
Is it loving to encourage Islamic terrorism and the bombing of innocent people around the world?
Ecumenicist Christians like former President Jimmy Carter have cast a great deal of support to Islamic Radicals. Carter has defended the terrorist and enabled them since his initial meetings almost 30 years ago. They have been especially effective in encouraging Palestinian terrorists to send suicide bombers in Israel to kill school children and the like. Presbyterian USA for instance is infamous for boycotting Israel for defending their homeland.
Should we encourage murderers like the Nazis and Islamo-fscist?
Is it loving to applaud foreign countries who have killed multi millions of innocent Christians in the last ten years?
Ecumenicists typically side with communist and Islamic terrorist in world affairs and refuse to speak of the murders of Christians all over the world. Each year there are 185,000 Christians martyred for the faith. In places like communist china and the Muslim countries. If they cared about real christians then why are they rarely if ever mentioned? Why should we respect Rick Warren (PDL) for meeting with Christian killers in Syria and North Korea and complementing them, is that what Jesus would do?
Should we call thousands of unrepentant and active child molesters our brothers in Christ?
The Catholic Church has obviously over 5,000 known child molesters in its priest hood. (Most are now in jail). The Church refused to report the abuse and covered it up preserved it in fact. I have known people who were molested through the Catholic system. I knew many Catholics trained through their schools system to become activists for homosexuality. When you see someone who has been abused by a priest or someone else, will you tell them that person is an official representative of God? This is the position of ecumenicism.
Should we encourage cults, which have killed multitudes?
Many are pushing to recognize Mormonism as a Christian faith. Mormonism is historically a militant cult. The US stopped Mormonism from becoming the twin of Islamic radicalism, but secretly many Mormons still murder their apostates today. (like Warren Jeffs) Also this group has long held theocratic aspirations and is getting more and more Mormons into public office. ( recently Harry Reid senate Majority leader and the Presidential bid of Mitt Romney)
Should we encourage charlatans to rob young believers of their life savings?
Ecumenicists approve of TBN and the Word of Faith cult whose many televangelists have robbed millions of dollars from the faithful in exchange for lofty promise blessings (God given money). Not too mention false healing by way of stage hypnotism.
Evangelical Ecumenical church Father: Billy Graham
No one has embodied ecumenicism on the interdenominational level like Billy Graham. Billy has been able to use His good work of mass evangelism to spread his doctrine of the interdenominational mentality. Billy is the true church father of the “New Evangelical Movement”
As opposed to the fundamentalists of the past Billy and his evangelicals argue that we ought to co-operate with Liberals and Catholics. He has used His format to bring about crusades of unheard of crowds and been able to meet with many world leaders. Like 5 US Presidents and the Popes.
And while I can appreciate the fact that he has preached the gospel to so many and many of which have been saved. I do not believe this gives him the right down play the scriptures and let himself be exalted as an idol.
I have heard new evangelicals honor Billy Graham on the level of a minor deity. I have heard people refer to him as the evangelical pope I have heard actual CCM worship songs in honor of him. I have seen multitudes react to him like a rock star. I have scene multiple biographies of him, his wife son daughters etc. Even Oprah swooning and cuddling him! Finally, in 2006 a 7 foot statue of Billy Graham standing with his arms outstretched directly in front of a 14 ft. empty cross. It is obvious that Billy Graham has become an icon and even idol.
Yet are his works as great as we think? Billy has reach around 1.3 billion people with the gospel. He has had an estimated 23 million conversions. Of those only a small percentage actually became regular attendees at their churches. I believe Graham should be acknowledged as a church father. And yet unlike previous Great evangelist church Fathers like Wesley, Whitfield, Finney or Moody; Graham does not provide a sense of pastoral or a theological foundation. Henceforth, we are left with a group of pragmatist ministers instead of gospel ministers.
Graham would purposefully water down his evangelism so as not to be offensive. For instance he would not preach on the fires of Hell, the exclusive nature of salvation (though he would allude to it), the Blood which atones for sin, the requirement of repentance, the doctrine of Baptism. And would not touch to much on other subjects. Though you may eventually find his opinions.
Graham has encouraged many heretics to have counsel over his new converts such as Catholic, Orthodox, liberals, Neo-orthodox, mind science, Word of Faith, legalists etc. Proving Graham to be one who accepted the status of church father and yet not the responsibilities. Altogether Graham proved himself to be an “absentee church father”.
Ecumenical church Mother Mother Theresa
In order to draw people of all religions Mother Theresa rest not upon logic but fame and good works. Protestants who many times have no idea of her beliefs or even specifically her works believe that she was a saint on her way to heaven.
Like all good Catholics Mother Theresa believed in works based salvation. Which is prohibited in the New Testament.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is no surprise then that Mother Theresa had her doubts as to whether she would go to heaven or even if she believed in God. Mother Theresa was also known for not advocating exclusively the Christian gospel. Many theologians try to explain away her doubts as a trial of faith. Yet can we have assurance that we are saved? Isn’t it normal to be assured or normal to doubt?
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
If Mother Theresa really were born-again then she would have the witness of the Holy Spirit inside her heart. There is no middle ground as she and the Catholics taught. There is only saved and unsaved. The problem is once we understand this, then we have to truly examine whether or not we are saved?
The ecumenical movement acts as an iron curtain against evangelism. Catholics and liberals never have to evangelize or be evangelized because that does not lead to unity. Mother Theresa was kept from a relationship with Christ by her works based salvation and her ecumenical wall. Most evangelicals who believe we are saved by grace through faith typically argue that Mother Theresa was a Christian and would never try to evangelize her. But by bring in Theresa and the Catholics they welcome all non-Christians eventually.
Why is this so? Because unsaved Christians are no spiritually different than unsaved pagans. This would make us discriminate one group over the other. When a catholic is welcomed by an evangelical even though they are not born-again and are still spiritually dead. That Catholic will look at the Muslim or Jew who is just as spiritually dead and living in the same dead religion and realize this bias. The Catholic will then inwardly protest that “we all have man-made religion and we are all sinners (spiritually dead)” “So who are evangelicals to be so theologically bigoted?” At this point ecumenism moves to inclusivism and eventually universalism.
Many evangelicals who have not been born-again get sucked away from the gospel and into this pit. There, Satan prepares us for Hell.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Sadly I do not believe form the evidence I have seen, that mother Theresa made it to Heaven. I wish she did but what must obey the Gospel, for it is the power of God which brings salvation. (Rom1:16)
I think that what me must learn from this is that we must cling to Christ and not just each other. If we all cling to Christ we will all be together.
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Friday, February 15, 2008
Can Jesus Rock?
As we look at this question, I think we ought to frame it in a certain context. When I ask this question, I do not mean to ask if Jesus approves of secular rock music. I also do not want this to be simply about Christian rock or CCM. Instead it is about hard beats and fast paced music. It doesn’t matter if it is classical, rock, rap/hip hop, country or gospel. I recognize the dangers of a genre like secular rock and roll and all the damage that it causes. Last year I wrote an article critiquing modern Christian music and the like. (“Thoughts on CCM” 07 Biblesmack)
Yet on the opposite end there are many fundamentalist Christians who argue that not even hard beats should be used. A good example is W.O. Cloud. Cloud runs the websight “Way of Life”, and is a missionary in Nepal. I respect Cloud on several issues and he has helped me in joining the KJVO camp along with my understanding of Baptist history. He would argue that Rock Music which came from pagan African beats is naturally pagan, and in it’s context rock music is inseparable from the philosophy of “sex, drugs, and rock’n’roll”. Therefore, hard beat music is like a drug, which will lead us to a heathen lifestyle.
First, I would like to point out where I agree with Bro. Cloud. Paganism has used music to enforce heathenism for untold centuries. Music can have similar effects on hearts that drugs do. Secular rock and roll has a destructive and satanic history. Many people got into rock or heavy metal or rap in a way specifically connected to this satanic philosophy. Those who went through this should not indulge in secular rock and they may be weak in the faith to the point where Christian rock is not healthy for them either. Finally, I agree that instrumental music can be used in a sinful way.
Yet the question I have is, can hard music be used in a positive way? Does the Bible use passionate emotional music?
Mat 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Here in this passage, Jesus has given a rebuttal and rebuke to pharisaic attack. At the end, he points out how John the Baptists nearly monastic lifestyle was rejected by the Pharisees. The only option of acceptance was Jesus approach of coming celebrating. Yet the Pharisees rebuked it to and try to label Jesus an over eating alcoholic.
Obviously Jesus is sinless, so what were the activities that were falsely labeled sin? Obviously eating and drinking, which it would have been sinful to drink excess of wine or food, so apparently Jesus was just casually doing these instead of fasting. Secondly, he associated with sinners, going to these parties. Thirdly, we see from vrs. 17 he was involved with music which could make people dance. In the early 20th century most churches had laws prohibiting dancing. Along with this they argue against music which could motivate people to dance. Therefore, Jesus was engaged in what we would call “partying”. Therefore, modern fundamental and holiness Christians would have disciplined Jesus!
Mat 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
We se hear that Jesus participated in Musical worship, considering the passage in Hebrews, which quotes from psalm 22:22 and the nature of His soon execution it is implicit that Christ was singing passionately.
Act 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Any good expositor would notice from the super natural joy of Paul and Silas to sing in the midst of prison, and the fact that the rest of the prisoners heard them that they probably were loud and passionate. After being beaten and put in prison, it would seem rather sheepish and defeating to sing whimperingly. No, they were defying the world system to give the honor to God.
Eph 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Why would someone seek wine?
Ecc 2:1 I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity.
Ecc 2:3 I sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine, yet acquainting mine heart with wisdom; and to lay hold on folly, till I might see what was that good for the sons of men, which they should do under the heaven all the days of their life.
It is to seek pleasure and enjoyment. Whether from the taste or the buzz of slight intoxication Solomon and mankind seeks wine for pleasure and enjoyment. Paul recommends musical worship of God as an alternative to the consumption of wine. He argues for three styles of musical worship. Psalms, Hymns and spiritual songs. What are these styles like? Let’s look at Strong’s Lexical Aide.
5568 psalmos {psal-mos'}[psalms]
from 5567; TDNT - 8:489,1225; n m
AV - psalm 5, Psalm 2; 7
1) a striking, twanging 1a) of a striking the chords of a musical instrument 1b) of a pious song, a psalm
For Synonyms see entry 5876
The psalmic music had instrument that were both stringed and percussion just like the modern rock band. The psalms were the regulative hymn book for the Old Testament Worship.
5214 humneo {hoom-neh'-o}[praise]
from 5215; TDNT - 8:489,1225; v
AV - sing an hymn 2, sing praise 2; 4
1) to sing the praise of, sing hymns to 2) to sing a hymn, to sing 2a) singing of paschal hymns these were Psalms 113 - 118 and 136, which the Jews called the "great Hallel"
Hymns are understood as passionate songs in Christianity these refer to songs that specifically to the New Covenant and our salvation in Christ.
4152 pneumatikos {pnyoo-mat-ik-os'}[spiritual]
from 4151; TDNT - 6:332,876; adj
AV - spiritual 26; 26
1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ 1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul 2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God 3) belonging to the Divine Spirit 3a) of God the Holy Spirit 3b) one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God 4) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing
5603 ode {o-day'}[song]
from 103; TDNT - 1:164,24; n f
AV - song 7; 7 1) a song, lay, ode. For Synonyms see entry 5876
Spiritual songs are songs that specifically move our spirits. Spiritual songs specifically refer to songs of testimony of our salvation and our New Life in Christ. The most famous spiritual is “Amazing Grace”.
Psa 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
Psa 150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Psa 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Psa 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
Is your worship service characterized by loud horns, stringed instruments, dancing, tambourines, and multiple percussion instruments? If not your not worshiping according to the psalmetic worship!
Now many argue that you never see this in the New Testament. However, the Apostles were ok with Jerusalem Temple worship.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 5:25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Act 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
The New Testament Apostles even Paul were comfortable with temple activity which would have included the musical instrumental worship. Now the New Testament never requires instruments but it is obvious that are inclusive of the traditional worship.
Psa 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psa 149:4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
Psa 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
07319 rowm@mah {ro-mem-aw'} [high]
act part of 07426; TWOT - 2133f?; n f
AV - high 1; 1
1) uplifting, arising
01984 halal {haw-lal'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 499,500; v
AV - praise 117, glory 14, boast 10, mad 8, shine 3, foolish 3, fools 2, commended 2, rage 2, celebrate 1, give 1, marriage 1, renowned 1; 165
1) to shine 1a) (Qal) to shine (fig. of God's favour) 1b) (Hiphil) to flash forth light 2) to praise, boast, be boastful 2a) (Qal) 2a1) to be boastful 2a2) boastful ones, boasters (participle) 2b) (Piel) 2b1) to praise 2b2) to boast, make a boast 2c) (Pual) 2c1) to be praised, be made praiseworthy, be commended, be worthy of praise 2d) (Hithpael) to boast, glory, make one's boast 2e) (Poel) to make a fool of, make into a fool 2f) (Hithpoel) to act madly, act like a madman
Hear we see this high rocking energy in the praise of God in instrumental music. There is no doubt an energy in the praise much like today’s hard beat music.
Psa 16:9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
What could generate more excitement than the declaration of life after death? This is the essence of worship God in Christ.
Worshipping God involves shouting!!
Psa 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Psa 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Psa 47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
Psa 47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.
Psa 65:13 The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing.
Psa 132:9 Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
Psa 132:16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
So Can Jesus Rock? If that means singing and dancing and shouting and clapping and listening to tambourines, hard percussion and stringed instruments, then, yep!
Though if it means satanic lyrics, stage hypnotism sex and drugs then of course not!
Yet on the opposite end there are many fundamentalist Christians who argue that not even hard beats should be used. A good example is W.O. Cloud. Cloud runs the websight “Way of Life”, and is a missionary in Nepal. I respect Cloud on several issues and he has helped me in joining the KJVO camp along with my understanding of Baptist history. He would argue that Rock Music which came from pagan African beats is naturally pagan, and in it’s context rock music is inseparable from the philosophy of “sex, drugs, and rock’n’roll”. Therefore, hard beat music is like a drug, which will lead us to a heathen lifestyle.
First, I would like to point out where I agree with Bro. Cloud. Paganism has used music to enforce heathenism for untold centuries. Music can have similar effects on hearts that drugs do. Secular rock and roll has a destructive and satanic history. Many people got into rock or heavy metal or rap in a way specifically connected to this satanic philosophy. Those who went through this should not indulge in secular rock and they may be weak in the faith to the point where Christian rock is not healthy for them either. Finally, I agree that instrumental music can be used in a sinful way.
Yet the question I have is, can hard music be used in a positive way? Does the Bible use passionate emotional music?
Mat 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Here in this passage, Jesus has given a rebuttal and rebuke to pharisaic attack. At the end, he points out how John the Baptists nearly monastic lifestyle was rejected by the Pharisees. The only option of acceptance was Jesus approach of coming celebrating. Yet the Pharisees rebuked it to and try to label Jesus an over eating alcoholic.
Obviously Jesus is sinless, so what were the activities that were falsely labeled sin? Obviously eating and drinking, which it would have been sinful to drink excess of wine or food, so apparently Jesus was just casually doing these instead of fasting. Secondly, he associated with sinners, going to these parties. Thirdly, we see from vrs. 17 he was involved with music which could make people dance. In the early 20th century most churches had laws prohibiting dancing. Along with this they argue against music which could motivate people to dance. Therefore, Jesus was engaged in what we would call “partying”. Therefore, modern fundamental and holiness Christians would have disciplined Jesus!
Mat 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
We se hear that Jesus participated in Musical worship, considering the passage in Hebrews, which quotes from psalm 22:22 and the nature of His soon execution it is implicit that Christ was singing passionately.
Act 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Any good expositor would notice from the super natural joy of Paul and Silas to sing in the midst of prison, and the fact that the rest of the prisoners heard them that they probably were loud and passionate. After being beaten and put in prison, it would seem rather sheepish and defeating to sing whimperingly. No, they were defying the world system to give the honor to God.
Eph 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Why would someone seek wine?
Ecc 2:1 I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity.
Ecc 2:3 I sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine, yet acquainting mine heart with wisdom; and to lay hold on folly, till I might see what was that good for the sons of men, which they should do under the heaven all the days of their life.
It is to seek pleasure and enjoyment. Whether from the taste or the buzz of slight intoxication Solomon and mankind seeks wine for pleasure and enjoyment. Paul recommends musical worship of God as an alternative to the consumption of wine. He argues for three styles of musical worship. Psalms, Hymns and spiritual songs. What are these styles like? Let’s look at Strong’s Lexical Aide.
5568 psalmos {psal-mos'}[psalms]
from 5567; TDNT - 8:489,1225; n m
AV - psalm 5, Psalm 2; 7
1) a striking, twanging 1a) of a striking the chords of a musical instrument 1b) of a pious song, a psalm
For Synonyms see entry 5876
The psalmic music had instrument that were both stringed and percussion just like the modern rock band. The psalms were the regulative hymn book for the Old Testament Worship.
5214 humneo {hoom-neh'-o}[praise]
from 5215; TDNT - 8:489,1225; v
AV - sing an hymn 2, sing praise 2; 4
1) to sing the praise of, sing hymns to 2) to sing a hymn, to sing 2a) singing of paschal hymns these were Psalms 113 - 118 and 136, which the Jews called the "great Hallel"
Hymns are understood as passionate songs in Christianity these refer to songs that specifically to the New Covenant and our salvation in Christ.
4152 pneumatikos {pnyoo-mat-ik-os'}[spiritual]
from 4151; TDNT - 6:332,876; adj
AV - spiritual 26; 26
1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ 1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul 2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God 3) belonging to the Divine Spirit 3a) of God the Holy Spirit 3b) one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God 4) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing
5603 ode {o-day'}[song]
from 103; TDNT - 1:164,24; n f
AV - song 7; 7 1) a song, lay, ode. For Synonyms see entry 5876
Spiritual songs are songs that specifically move our spirits. Spiritual songs specifically refer to songs of testimony of our salvation and our New Life in Christ. The most famous spiritual is “Amazing Grace”.
Psa 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
Psa 150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Psa 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Psa 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
Is your worship service characterized by loud horns, stringed instruments, dancing, tambourines, and multiple percussion instruments? If not your not worshiping according to the psalmetic worship!
Now many argue that you never see this in the New Testament. However, the Apostles were ok with Jerusalem Temple worship.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 5:25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Act 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
The New Testament Apostles even Paul were comfortable with temple activity which would have included the musical instrumental worship. Now the New Testament never requires instruments but it is obvious that are inclusive of the traditional worship.
Psa 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psa 149:4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
Psa 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
07319 rowm@mah {ro-mem-aw'} [high]
act part of 07426; TWOT - 2133f?; n f
AV - high 1; 1
1) uplifting, arising
01984 halal {haw-lal'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 499,500; v
AV - praise 117, glory 14, boast 10, mad 8, shine 3, foolish 3, fools 2, commended 2, rage 2, celebrate 1, give 1, marriage 1, renowned 1; 165
1) to shine 1a) (Qal) to shine (fig. of God's favour) 1b) (Hiphil) to flash forth light 2) to praise, boast, be boastful 2a) (Qal) 2a1) to be boastful 2a2) boastful ones, boasters (participle) 2b) (Piel) 2b1) to praise 2b2) to boast, make a boast 2c) (Pual) 2c1) to be praised, be made praiseworthy, be commended, be worthy of praise 2d) (Hithpael) to boast, glory, make one's boast 2e) (Poel) to make a fool of, make into a fool 2f) (Hithpoel) to act madly, act like a madman
Hear we see this high rocking energy in the praise of God in instrumental music. There is no doubt an energy in the praise much like today’s hard beat music.
Psa 16:9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
What could generate more excitement than the declaration of life after death? This is the essence of worship God in Christ.
Worshipping God involves shouting!!
Psa 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Psa 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Psa 47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
Psa 47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.
Psa 65:13 The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing.
Psa 132:9 Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
Psa 132:16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
So Can Jesus Rock? If that means singing and dancing and shouting and clapping and listening to tambourines, hard percussion and stringed instruments, then, yep!
Though if it means satanic lyrics, stage hypnotism sex and drugs then of course not!
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